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Maybe, as I alluded to, it was just a ploy to get people to Office 365 Personal.
Which, if you think about it, for $10 a month is a pretty good deal.
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@BRRABill said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Maybe, as I alluded to, it was just a ploy to get people to Office 365 Personal.
Which, if you think about it, for $10 a month is a pretty good deal.
How much does that include outside of the office suite of programs? At $120/year it's hard to appeal to me over and above free.
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@BRRABill said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Maybe, as I alluded to, it was just a ploy to get people to Office 365 Personal.
Which, if you think about it, for $10 a month is a pretty good deal.
LibreOffice is free and ownCloud on Vultr is just $10/mo for 500GB. And those don't get randomly taken away at a whim. $10 for Office 365 for personal use sounds like a bad deal to me.
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Sigh, this argument again. LOL.
For people who use Office and also OneDrive (or any other paid service) it's not bad.
ownCloud needs to be set up, and for the same $10 a month you are also getting 500GB more storage and access to Office for 5 people in your house. So more storage and free Office for the same $10.
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@BRRABill said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Sigh, this argument again. LOL.
Yep, rinse and repeat, it's a new day.
For people who use Office and also OneDrive (or any other paid service) it's not bad.
ownCloud needs to be set up, and for the same $10 a month you are also getting 500GB more storage and access to Office for 5 people in your house. So more storage and free Office for the same $10.
Right. If I were already paying to use Microsoft's other things, then it'd be silly not to get the most I possibly could for my money.
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@BRRABill said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
ownCloud needs to be set up, and for the same $10 a month you are also getting 500GB more storage and access to Office for 5 people in your house. So more storage and free Office for the same $10.
Access for five instead of unlimited access. That's not a good deal. And 500GB more... I keep hearing this but anytime someone tries to use OneDrive it seems to shrink or not be the size advertised. Vultr size is what it is.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@BRRABill said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Maybe, as I alluded to, it was just a ploy to get people to Office 365 Personal.
Which, if you think about it, for $10 a month is a pretty good deal.
LibreOffice is free and ownCloud on Vultr is just $10/mo for 500GB. And those don't get randomly taken away at a whim. $10 for Office 365 for personal use sounds like a bad deal to me.
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB? O365 Personal is $69/yr for one person and 1 TB (lowered from unlimited to 1 TB) and O365 Family is $99/yr all 5 people each get 1 TB of storage. So that makes it $6/month for personal and $8.50/month for family - and you don't have to manage anything like you do with Vultr.
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@Dashrender said
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB? O365 Personal is $69/yr for one person and 1 TB (lowered from unlimited to 1 TB) and O365 Family is $99/yr all 5 people each get 1 TB of storage. So that makes it $6/month for personal and $8.50/month for family - and you don't have to manage anything like you do with Vultr.
Careful, they are going to take your ML card away.
(^sarcasm
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@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@BRRABill said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
ownCloud needs to be set up, and for the same $10 a month you are also getting 500GB more storage and access to Office for 5 people in your house. So more storage and free Office for the same $10.
Access for five instead of unlimited access. That's not a good deal. And 500GB more... I keep hearing this but anytime someone tries to use OneDrive it seems to shrink or not be the size advertised. Vultr size is what it is.
the only problems I know of on sizes for OneDrive is that they renig'ed on the unlimited offer and reduced it down to 1 TB for paid plans, and 5 GB for free plans (which weren't unlimited, but some people hand managed to get 100+ GB through different offers over time, and that was being removed too).
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
Cool - didn't know that - I recall a post here months ago talking about ownCloud and LibraOffice, but had no idea where it was.
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@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
So that makes it $6/month for personal and $8.50/month for family - and you don't have to manage anything like you do with Vultr.
True, although I've found Vultr less work to manage than a O365 account
And the Vultr approach is unlimited use. So while it is a big $10/mo if you want 500GB, it's unlimited users. Want to let your extended family use it? No problem. Hundreds of users? No problem. It quickly gets a lot cheaper if you go beyond five users. And they already have the ownCloud / hosted LibreOffice integration available (supposedly.)So unlimited office users, unlimited hosted office users, unlimited users with a real 500GB that you know you get to keep for $10 instead of five users and 1TB that you don't know if you will have for any length of time.
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@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
Cool - didn't know that - I recall a post here months ago talking about ownCloud and LibraOffice, but had no idea where it was.
I just saw this week that their partner said that it was available for download and that the ownCloud integrated download was nearly ready.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
Cool - didn't know that - I recall a post here months ago talking about ownCloud and LibraOffice, but had no idea where it was.
I just saw this week that their partner said that it was available for download and that the ownCloud integrated download was nearly ready.
I hope they just add the Libre Office stuff as a plugin to ownCloud... If they integrate it too tightly it will make it more difficult to keep oC at the current version.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
I've just started trying to get it working with owncloud. Looks simple enough, we'll see if it is.
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@dafyre said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
Cool - didn't know that - I recall a post here months ago talking about ownCloud and LibraOffice, but had no idea where it was.
I just saw this week that their partner said that it was available for download and that the ownCloud integrated download was nearly ready.
I hope they just add the Libre Office stuff as a plugin to ownCloud... If they integrate it too tightly it will make it more difficult to keep oC at the current version.
The owncloud plugin get's pointed to the libreoffice program, so in the current form they are still two independent things.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
And those don't get randomly taken away at a whim.
It puzzles me that on the one hand you say that anyone who runs on-premise Exchange rather than O365 is probably an idiot, but on the other hand, you say you don't trust MS not to take away functionality of O365 and recommend running your own solutions and servers instead.
This seems a contradiction. Either you trust Microsoft O365 or you don't?
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@Carnival-Boy said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
And those don't get randomly taken away at a whim.
It puzzles me that on the one hand you say that anyone who runs on-premise Exchange rather than O365 is probably an idiot, but on the other hand, you say you don't trust MS not to take away functionality of O365 and recommend running your own solutions and servers instead.
This seems a contradiction. Either you trust Microsoft O365 or you don't?
No, it is not a trust or don't. I don't trust Microsoft to continue to deliver consumer services tomorrow that they advertise today, nor do I trust them to give all consumer customers what they advertise to others.
In regards to commercial services, I trust Microsoft as well as most in house IT departments to attempt to deliver reliable services, but I trust MS to do this more, especially as in house IT has to trust MS as well.
If the question is "how do you run Exchange", trusting MS is part of the equation no matter how you decide to look at it. Trusting MS is intrinsic to using Exchange. So trusting them or not can never be a factor. If it was, the answer would be to not use Exchange at all.
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With a perpetual licence, like Exchange, terms are fixed. What you buy is what you get, forever. With a subscription service, like O365, terms aren't fixed. Hence your fear of things getting "randomly taken away at a whim"
I don't think you should make a big distinction between consumer services and commercial services. The distinction you should be making is between free services (Live.com) and paid services (O365). Microsoft has taken things away from free services, but I'm not aware of it doing the same to paid and I wouldn't expect them to. Trusting free services is always tricky, because that's where things do get taken away (normally in the form of "this used to be free, but now you have to pay").
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@Carnival-Boy said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
With a perpetual licence, like Exchange, terms are fixed. What you buy is what you get, forever. With a subscription service, like O365, terms aren't fixed. Hence your fear of things getting "randomly taken away at a whim"
That's totally true, I agree. However I don't "not" trust MS to take away enterprise offerings on a whim or at least I trust them to modify them in sensible, consistent ways. I trust MS to make servers, databases, and enterprise services. I don't trust them to make tablets, phones or consumer services (although the XBOX is a pretty good product line, it seems to be a fluke.)
Although even though Exchange is perpetual and O365 is month to month, this only evens out the "waves". If MS drops all support for Exchange tomorrow, you don't just have it shut down tomorrow, but you do have to figure out a migration strategy sooner than later.
However, the issue with in house Exchange is less that MS will dump you. It's that your internal IT might. Maybe they quit. Maybe they decide not to support Exchange. Maybe they just can't figure out what to do. To a business, this is all the same - it's just like MS dropping O365 Hosted Exchange but with potentially zero warning rather than an SLA term and with someone to sue in case they do it illegally and a big company with a huge reputation on the line that they would never recover from if they did this. You are protected by the market. In house, you have no such protections.
