Mac Users...
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@BBigford said:
I wouldn't say he's incompetent. I didn't mean to come off that way.
But you feel that your job is in jeopardy because he might do something completely nonsensical because you can't deliver the impossible.
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@BBigford said:
I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less.
You keep supporting what I said. So he's irrational and emotional and lashes out at people for doing a good job?
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It's only your reaction, we don't know anything about the CEO except for how you see him. But the way you present your feelings, I say it is time to run away. That sounds stressful, hateful, unfulfilling and just plane like you work for mean people who would fire people for delivering news that they didn't want to hear.
Basically... you are informing them that his pet made a bad decision and you fear he would fire you for delivering the truth.
Even if it is just your own fear.... that's not a healthy feeling to have to live with day after day.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less.
You keep supporting what I said. So he's irrational and emotional and lashes out at people for doing a good job?
It's not so much about him as it is the marketing manager. She has been so rude to me since the day I started. The CEO only gets involved when she complains. Knowing him, he just wants her to use whatever she wants, and have it work. Also, to keep her from complaining. That's just from what I've figured anyway...
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I can only second the issues mac mail has in general. We have a user that continues to use it despite the reoccurring issues it gives him. Theirs is using it with Gmail/GApps but signature issue is exactly the same and other problem is sync failing with email and calendar..
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Sounds like your company has bad management.
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@Jason said:
Sounds like your company has bad management.
I mean I can't bad mouth them on here. They treat us fairly well... There's just some stuff I would rather have done differently so we could get around these type of situations with a little less pain.
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@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
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What is the point of being hired as an IT professional and having to explain yourself for something so trivial?
Micorsoft and Apple are known competitors.It should be common sense that their software doesn't work well with each other.
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@IRJ said:
What is the point of being hired as an IT professional and having to explain yourself for something so trivial?
I often ask myself that very question.
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I don't know you man but if some random guy on a forum (me) wants more for you it tells me that you probably don't have a lot in that job right now. Ultimately do what you think is right though.
I hope everything improves one way or another
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@wirestyle22 said:
I don't know you man but if some random guy on a forum (me) wants more for you
Well that was a damn nice thing to say. Thanks, I appreciate that.
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@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
I don't know you man but if some random guy on a forum (me) wants more for you
Well that was a damn nice thing to say. Thanks, I appreciate that.
We're all in this together as human beings. Hang in there dude.
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@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less.
You keep supporting what I said. So he's irrational and emotional and lashes out at people for doing a good job?
It's not so much about him as it is the marketing manager. She has been so rude to me since the day I started. The CEO only gets involved when she complains. Knowing him, he just wants her to use whatever she wants, and have it work. Also, to keep her from complaining. That's just from what I've figured anyway...
That's a horrible reaction from a manager, though. Employee A is being a jerk, on I know, we should placate her and reward being the bad employee and show everyone who works here that we value people who are jerks and dislike people trying to work together as a team towards a goal.
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@BBigford said:
@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
Exchange does IMAP like all modern email systems. Has too, it is the universal mailbox protocol.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
Exchange does IMAP like all modern email systems. Has too, it is the universal mailbox protocol.
Yeah I didn't really understand the question cause we're using IMAP on Exchange. Maybe I should have asked @aaron to elaborate.
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@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
Exchange does IMAP like all modern email systems. Has too, it is the universal mailbox protocol.
Yeah I didn't really understand the question cause we're using IMAP on Exchange. Maybe I should have asked @aaron to elaborate.
There are two protocols in question. The mailbox protocol (IMAP or Exchange native or ActiveSync) and the format of the email.
If she emails herself, does it stay mangled? If she emails a Gmail account, does it stay mangled?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
Exchange does IMAP like all modern email systems. Has too, it is the universal mailbox protocol.
Yeah I didn't really understand the question cause we're using IMAP on Exchange. Maybe I should have asked @aaron to elaborate.
There are two protocols in question. The mailbox protocol (IMAP or Exchange native or ActiveSync) and the format of the email.
If she emails herself, does it stay mangled? If she emails a Gmail account, does it stay mangled?
It's mangled no matter what because it passes through Exchange. What she could have done was connect another account that isn't tied to Exchange and try that. I sent an email just saying that I found attaching the attachment to the bottom of the email solved the problem, that Apple Mail is noted by Apple and Microsoft as being problematic with Exchange, and that Outlook has the highest compatibility.
Called it a day. If I have to defend myself, I don't care. I'm not gonna let the company waste more money on fixing stupid issues when the execs use Outlook and not Apple Mail.
I did get the comment "Exchange is so stupid. Why do we even use that buggy system?" The hell are we expected to run? The person asking that couldn't name one other on premise (required) email system as an alternative to Exchange. As soon as I heard the word "Gmail...." I just cut them off and said our big contracts forbid hosting internal communication. Continued arguing.
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@BBigford said:
I did get the comment "Exchange is so stupid. Why do we even use that buggy system?" The hell are we expected to run?
Well, to be fair, Exchange is difficult to use, very expensive and not very practical on premises. They might not know the name of the products, but Zimbra is the big player and MDaemon has been around and @axigen is up and coming. And Apple might even have an offering.
And especially if you are using IMAP, that makes the others often better options.
