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@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford You have a hammer. The hammer is designed to hammer nails into a wall. You can hammer screws into the wall but is it going to be as effective? No. Screws are not designed to be used in that way. It'll sort of work just like Apple Mail sort of works.
I can't believe you have to have this conversation. I feel for you dude.
Thanks. I'm also the type that brings everything to the table in a conversation. When people are extremely difficult and won't accept "It just doesn't work that way" I try and be prepared rather than say "I'll go back and do research..."
Some people just won't accept certain truths.
The reality is that you are a sysadmin, not a programmer.
Exactly. Which is why I was having a tough time grasping precisely what was being handled wrong. I am not a programmer, but didn't want to just point the ugly finger at "COOOOOOODE!!!!"
Which also means that they won't understand and the research is going to be pointless. It's a bug, Apple hasn't fixed it.
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@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford You have a hammer. The hammer is designed to hammer nails into a wall. You can hammer screws into the wall but is it going to be as effective? No. Screws are not designed to be used in that way. It'll sort of work just like Apple Mail sort of works.
I can't believe you have to have this conversation. I feel for you dude.
Thanks. I'm also the type that brings everything to the table in a conversation. When people are extremely difficult and won't accept "It just doesn't work that way" I try and be prepared rather than say "I'll go back and do research..."
Some people just won't accept certain truths.
The reality is that you are a sysadmin, not a programmer.
Exactly. Which is why I was having a tough time grasping precisely what was being handled wrong. I am not a programmer, but didn't want to just point the ugly finger at "COOOOOOODE!!!!"
Their expectations are the problem. Users typically think we know everything about every product ever and the reality is we are human.
I can see it now... "Well, maybe we should get someone in here with a little more expertise. Someone who knows a little more on these kinds of subjects."
And you should respond "good and maybe I'll do the same and find managers who know how to do their jobs". This is a management problem. It sounds like an issue endemic as the CEO seems to be the clueless one here about how to run a business. Expecting the impossible and making your staff fear that you will react as a pissed off monkey just wildly flinging poo because this is all "too much for them to understand" doesn't speak highly of the CEO. Basically you fear that he is completely incompetent in how to manage. That you fear that... says a lot.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@BBigford You have a hammer. The hammer is designed to hammer nails into a wall. You can hammer screws into the wall but is it going to be as effective? No. Screws are not designed to be used in that way. It'll sort of work just like Apple Mail sort of works.
I can't believe you have to have this conversation. I feel for you dude.
Thanks. I'm also the type that brings everything to the table in a conversation. When people are extremely difficult and won't accept "It just doesn't work that way" I try and be prepared rather than say "I'll go back and do research..."
Some people just won't accept certain truths.
The reality is that you are a sysadmin, not a programmer.
Exactly. Which is why I was having a tough time grasping precisely what was being handled wrong. I am not a programmer, but didn't want to just point the ugly finger at "COOOOOOODE!!!!"
Their expectations are the problem. Users typically think we know everything about every product ever and the reality is we are human.
I can see it now... "Well, maybe we should get someone in here with a little more expertise. Someone who knows a little more on these kinds of subjects."
And you should respond "good and maybe I'll do the same and find managers who know how to do their jobs". This is a management problem. It sounds like an issue endemic as the CEO seems to be the clueless one here about how to run a business. Expecting the impossible and making your staff fear that you will react as a pissed off monkey just wildly flinging poo because this is all "too much for them to understand" doesn't speak highly of the CEO. Basically you fear that he is completely incompetent in how to manage. That you fear that... says a lot.
I wouldn't say he's incompetent. I didn't mean to come off that way. I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less. Am I a bit on the nervous side? A bit, yeah. But I was looking for a job when I found this one. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to leave, even if the pay is good enough not to look for another job right now.
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@BBigford said:
I wouldn't say he's incompetent. I didn't mean to come off that way.
But you feel that your job is in jeopardy because he might do something completely nonsensical because you can't deliver the impossible.
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@BBigford said:
I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less.
You keep supporting what I said. So he's irrational and emotional and lashes out at people for doing a good job?
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It's only your reaction, we don't know anything about the CEO except for how you see him. But the way you present your feelings, I say it is time to run away. That sounds stressful, hateful, unfulfilling and just plane like you work for mean people who would fire people for delivering news that they didn't want to hear.
Basically... you are informing them that his pet made a bad decision and you fear he would fire you for delivering the truth.
Even if it is just your own fear.... that's not a healthy feeling to have to live with day after day.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less.
You keep supporting what I said. So he's irrational and emotional and lashes out at people for doing a good job?
It's not so much about him as it is the marketing manager. She has been so rude to me since the day I started. The CEO only gets involved when she complains. Knowing him, he just wants her to use whatever she wants, and have it work. Also, to keep her from complaining. That's just from what I've figured anyway...
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I can only second the issues mac mail has in general. We have a user that continues to use it despite the reoccurring issues it gives him. Theirs is using it with Gmail/GApps but signature issue is exactly the same and other problem is sync failing with email and calendar..
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Sounds like your company has bad management.
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@Jason said:
Sounds like your company has bad management.
I mean I can't bad mouth them on here. They treat us fairly well... There's just some stuff I would rather have done differently so we could get around these type of situations with a little less pain.
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@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
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What is the point of being hired as an IT professional and having to explain yourself for something so trivial?
Micorsoft and Apple are known competitors.It should be common sense that their software doesn't work well with each other.
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@IRJ said:
What is the point of being hired as an IT professional and having to explain yourself for something so trivial?
I often ask myself that very question.
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I don't know you man but if some random guy on a forum (me) wants more for you it tells me that you probably don't have a lot in that job right now. Ultimately do what you think is right though.
I hope everything improves one way or another
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@wirestyle22 said:
I don't know you man but if some random guy on a forum (me) wants more for you
Well that was a damn nice thing to say. Thanks, I appreciate that.
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@BBigford said:
@wirestyle22 said:
I don't know you man but if some random guy on a forum (me) wants more for you
Well that was a damn nice thing to say. Thanks, I appreciate that.
We're all in this together as human beings. Hang in there dude.
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@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I just want to be prepared because I've saw people get fired for less.
You keep supporting what I said. So he's irrational and emotional and lashes out at people for doing a good job?
It's not so much about him as it is the marketing manager. She has been so rude to me since the day I started. The CEO only gets involved when she complains. Knowing him, he just wants her to use whatever she wants, and have it work. Also, to keep her from complaining. That's just from what I've figured anyway...
That's a horrible reaction from a manager, though. Employee A is being a jerk, on I know, we should placate her and reward being the bad employee and show everyone who works here that we value people who are jerks and dislike people trying to work together as a team towards a goal.
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@BBigford said:
@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
Exchange does IMAP like all modern email systems. Has too, it is the universal mailbox protocol.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
@aaron said:
I have no problems with Apple Mail using Gmail domains and Outlook.com (I realize that's not technically Exchange) -- but they are done via IMAP.
Is the user using IMAP instead of Exchange protocol? The Exchange protocol is very weirdly inconsistent to me unless you are only using MS products.
We are all using Exchange.
Exchange does IMAP like all modern email systems. Has too, it is the universal mailbox protocol.
Yeah I didn't really understand the question cause we're using IMAP on Exchange. Maybe I should have asked @aaron to elaborate.
