XenServer Export Performance Seems Poor
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By the way you can rename the topic title
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@olivier said:
By the way you can rename the topic title
What would you propose?
The title is calling out XenServer, not XO, and as you've stated this is an actual known issue within XS. I'm definitely open to suggestions for a title change though.
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@olivier said:
@Dashrender In any case, it's not a "full" direct push: it goes through
xo-server, since we can't tell XenServer to push itself a VM somewhere. In fact, export is always working in "pull": a HTTP handler is opened by XAPI, and listen for HTTP GET request.This is valid for everything,
xe, XenCenter, XO export through your browser, XO backups etc.So it's not really an overhead with your browser,
xo-serverjust act as a proxy to deliver your file (so if you don't have network bottleneck between you andxo-serverthat's OK:XenServer --> xo-server --> browserA backup will do:
XenServer --> xo-server --> remote pointBut as I said, in any case,
xo-serverwill do a HTTP GET.The main bottleneck is Gzip compression first. If you disable it, that's another potential bottleneck: the XAPI HTTP handler speed.
Note: the possibility to ask XAPI to push a backup somewhere will be discussed with the XAPI team during Xen Hackathon. IDK if they could do something, but I'll be at their office to explain the issue, in front of the whole dev team.
Thanks for the explanation. I look forward to what you can share after your discussion about the HTTP handler.
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The 700 GB VM was backed up in 13 hours 50 mins with the following setup:
compression disabled
1 GB same switch transfer
SMB sharing protocol
4 TB WD Red drive (single drive) as the target
Windows 7 x64 4 GB RAMThis was 50% faster than using the export feature which enables GZIP and I was saving to a USB 3.0 device.
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OK starting last test.
backup compress disabled
Win7 x64 4 GB RAM
1 GB same switch transfer
SMB sharing
2 TB USB 3.0 driveStarted at 9 AM CDT
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@Dashrender said:
OK starting last test.
backup compress disabled
Win7 x64 4 GB RAM
1 GB same switch transfer
SMB sharing
2 TB USB 3.0 driveStarted at 9 AM CDT
I would expect this one to be the same as the last. I doubt you are hitting any kind of bottleneck on the target media.
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@JaredBusch said:
I would expect this one to be the same as the last. I doubt you are hitting any kind of bottleneck on the target media.
Yeah, I'm already seeing that be the case. 2 hours in, 108 GB transferred.
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@Dashrender The current title is perfect
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@olivier said:
@Dashrender The current title is perfect
(didn't see the change before)Maybe Scott edited it before, I haven't changed it since I posted it.
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@Dashrender said:
@olivier said:
@Dashrender The current title is perfect
(didn't see the change before)Maybe Scott edited it before, I haven't changed it since I posted it.
Yeah, that was me
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@Dashrender said
Yeah, I'm already seeing that be the case. 2 hours in, 108 GB transferred.
So around 15MBps is the max we can hope for?
Is that what you ended up determining?
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I never tested again after this situation. Perhaps when I get back in the office I will try one.
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I'm trying to figure out the quickest way to get a VM from one XS to another.
I'll ping @olivier again here, as I am sure XO is part of that discussion.
At least if you export it to your desktop you can follow the progress. But it seems like it does compression on the export, right? Is that was was ascertained from this thread?
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@BRRABill said in XenServer Export Performance Seems Poor:
I'm trying to figure out the quickest way to get a VM from one XS to another.
I'll ping @olivier again here, as I am sure XO is part of that discussion.
At least if you export it to your desktop you can follow the progress. But it seems like it does compression on the export, right? Is that was was ascertained from this thread?
The is a way to do an export without compression. This site is not the easiest to look through on my kindle fire. I thought Oliver posted about it in this thread?
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@Dashrender said
The is a way to do an export without compression. This site is not the easiest to look through on my kindle fire. I thought Oliver posted about it in this thread?
No, I looked through the whole thread and did not see it.
He only mentions turning it off for backups.
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After some research today, I have come to the conclusion (could be wrong) that EXPORT does not compress. I came to this conclusion because a lot of the articles I saw spoke of compressing the export.
But it seems like it was said in the thread it IS enabled.
So confusing...
Take a look at this:
https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2009/02/10/xenserver-tips-and-tricks-minimize-the-size-of-your-exported-virtual-machines/"In the interest of not overloading the system that is exporting the virtual machine we don’t compress the data that is exported. So to really save on space after you do an export you can then use your favorite compression program to shrink down the exported file even more. "
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I also found today the copy through XO is really slow. I wonder why...
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XO might be doing the compression, and XC might not be doing compression.
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Next week I am going to test everything.
All I know if=s last night when I gave up copying through XO, I was getting out 4-8MBps. A straight export today got me in the 50-60MBps range. Not super fast, but a hell of a lot better. It did 12 GB in around 5 minutes.
I think copy is slow for some reason, but I've looked through so much XS/XO stuff today I can't think anymore.
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XO is activating the compression by default for a VM copy. And because of GZIP and probably a not so fast CPU, the bottleneck is there.
Sadly, we had a choice to make, between faster copy but larger bandwidth usage and the opposite. Changing it is easy, but I have a bad feeling about this (a lot of people not agree with the new choice).
The best would be to have the choice, but it's tricky in term of UI.
