BRRABill's Field Report With XenServer
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@BRRABill said:
@JaredBusch said:
While I highly recommend Hyper-V for most SMB, it is because they are alreadyused to managing Windows stuff and it is a similar workflow.
Yeah once I got into XenCenter, my first thought was .... OK, NOW what? Wither HYper-V (granted, installed as a role) I knew exactly what to do.
Make a VM? What make XenServer different? What was the trigger for one that told you to start making your first VM and the other did not?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
For the most part a agree with this. Windows Admin already have or are aware of the tools to manage Hyper-V where as XenServer and ESXi require a new set of tools.
We were discussing this offline or in another thread. I'm not so convinced that this is a broadly true as people think. Tons of Windows Admins are unfamiliar with the tools you would expect them to know for this and even ones that use those tools, often they don't use them for Hyper-V and just log in through RDP to manage it. They might be familiar with the tools (maybe) but often don't even leverage them.
I think in another thread you mentioned some fortune 500 admins who didn't know about RSAT.
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@scottalanmiller said:
We were discussing this offline or in another thread. I'm not so convinced that this is a broadly true as people think. Tons of Windows Admins are unfamiliar with the tools you would expect them to know for this and even ones that use those tools, often they don't use them for Hyper-V and just log in through RDP to manage it. They might be familiar with the tools (maybe) but often don't even leverage them.
I was using RDP and not the proper tools, I will admit.
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Not to side track this thread (apologies to @BRRABill ), what is the "hyperconverged" equivalent in the XenServer world?
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@BRRABill I may have to retract my previous statement. An admin I used to work with used to just use RDP for everything. Although it wasn't until this past year that he actually virtualized anything.
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@BRRABill said:
The option that got me was...
Enable thin provisioning (Optimized storage for XenDesktop)
Figured it would have nothing to do with the XenServer install.
This got me my first time too!
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OK, so it's back up and running.
First question:
How do I check to see if there are updates available, and if so install them? -
@BRRABill in XenCenter (or XO if you have it) the updates will be listed as Alerts to install.
Being a new install there are certainly some updates, I just got an alert to update our installation as well.
it might take a bit for the alert to generate.
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The alert feature is really nice. Be aware that the default install really doesn't have much room where it stores patches. So you may have to go in and clean up old patch files if/when that gets full.
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So for right now, there is really nothing to do. It will eventually alert me through XenCenter that updates are ready.
There is no way to force it update?
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@BRRABill said:
So for right now, there is really nothing to do. It will eventually alert me through XenCenter that updates are ready.
There is no way to force it update?
There is but it is a third party application, called patcher, that you run from the CLI.
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Back to Hyper-V! LOL, just kidding, I'll give it a chance.
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@BRRABill said:
So for right now, there is really nothing to do. It will eventually alert me through XenCenter that updates are ready.
There is no way to force it update?
right, I think that you are expecting complications and imagining that it will be hard when it is probably ready to go already. Make a VM and start to play!
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OK, next question.
How do I get a file onto my XenServer? Say I wanted to copy something over to it?
Or something I would like to try is to take my existing VHD and see if it will use it.
I get the gist I can import the VHD, but can you simply "store" stuff on the XenServer?
The equivalent in Windows of opening File Explorer and just copying a file to a folder on a drive.
Also, can it access files on a USB drive I plug in?
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You have to have an ISO repo that XS can access and boot your VM ISO from.
This could be a Windows Share or you can build a local ISO repo right into XenServer.
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@BRRABill said:
OK, next question.
How do I get a file onto my XenServer? Say I wanted to copy something over to it?
Or something I would like to try is to take my existing VHD and see if it will use it.
I get the gist I can import the VHD, but can you simply "store" stuff on the XenServer?
The equivalent in Windows of opening File Explorer and just copying a file to a folder on a drive.
Also, can it access files on a USB drive I plug in?
You would never want to do this... not really ever. If you want a file server make a VM. If you want to import a VHD use the proper tools to do it.
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@coliver said:
You would never want to do this... not really ever. If you want a file server make a VM. If you want to import a VHD use the proper tools to do it.
Gotcha.
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Where is that "single pane of glass" to manage XenServer & Hyper-V
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@FATeknollogee said:
Where is that "single pane of glass" to manage XenServer & Hyper-V
For Xen and XenServer that would be Xen Orchestra or Xen Orchestra Appliance.
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@FATeknollogee said:
Where is that "single pane of glass" to manage XenServer & Hyper-V
XO for XenServer is totally free and epically good. More single pain that anything anyone else has. Backups, replication, multiple machines, etc. all in one pain. Hyper-V you have to buy tools to get just part of that. XO is open source and fully free. So awesome. AND their team is active here and might attend MangoCon too!
