Install Microsoft Volume Licence application with Office 365
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@Carnival-Boy said:
So it's impossible to install current, open licence standalone versions of standard Microsoft products if you are an Office 365 Business Premium customer? If you want Access you have to upgrade to the E3 plan at double the cost, or install an older version.That's nuts.
Is the retail versions of Office products click and run, that would be a possible alternative (but still a massive pita)?
I don't know if you can buy a retail version that it's just a code any more. That started a long time ago with Office 2010. My client bought key-code cards. All they received was a code, then you download click-to-run.
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Logged a call with Microsoft and they confirmed my worst fears - Open Licence version of Microsoft standalone products cannot be used with O365. It sucks.
Basically, if you are a Business Premium customer you cannot use Access, end of. Only E3 or ProPlus customers can use it.
(although I suspect the retail version will run, as that is click-to-run as Dash indicates).
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Wow, I wonder if that violates an EU anti-trust law or similar... selling software that is designed to not work on the same machine to force either double buying the application or double buying the OS. Either way, that sounds like anti-trust to me. It might be okay because it is "all one application", that might cause an exception. But I doubt it. That's extremely fishy to have two sales channels designed to conflict and block each other.
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You make it sound like they did it on purpose?
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@Dashrender said:
You make it sound like they did it on purpose?
No, I just point out that they make it sound like they are doing it on purpose. Don't blame the messenger.
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I don't see how they could not have done it on purpose? AFAIK, it was ok with Office 2013 which is also click-to-run, so this is something they must have deliberately introduced with 2016, for whatever reason.
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Looks to be by design
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You should be able to uninstall Click to run then use a volume key to install the same level of office you have with 365 as a MSI and then install the standalone MSI for access.
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That sounds like a great idea, although presumably I'd need to purchase a single volume licence for Office Standard edition.
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Here's a thought.
on your business premium, drop it down to the non local office app version, then for $12/month add a license for O365 Pro Plus.
Then you're back to having everything in a single package for install/management, etc.
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That wouldn't be worth it. Business Essentials is £3.10 and ProPlus is £10.10 in the UK. So that would be £13.20 versus £14.70 for E3. I currently pay a very reasonable £7.80 for Business Premium.
I will try Jason's idea though. Click-to-run is unpleasant anyway, so switching everything to traditional volume licence Windows install sounds awesome.
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My concern is that O365 is not the same version of Office as the volume licence. Volume licence is "Office Standard 2016" whereas O365 is "Office 365 Business". Effectively the same product, but technically different? Would I be breaking the licence by using "Office Standard" volume licence media to install "Office 365 Business?
I suspect I would.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
My concern is that O365 is not the same version of Office as the volume licence. Volume licence is "Office Standard 2016" whereas O365 is "Office 365 Business". Effectively the same product, but technically different? Would I be breaking the licence by using "Office Standard" volume licence media to install "Office 365 Business?
I suspect I would.
I agree with you, I think you would be.
Also, where would you get a Key to use with the installation media?If you buy a single VL (assuming you already have an open license/open value agreement in place) then you just buy it and be done.
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huh - can you return the volume license Access you bought and buy FFP? FFP, as we previously discussed, should be click to run just like O365. That would possibly be another way around it.
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You mean FPP. Yeah, I think that would work, as previously mentioned, but FPP sucks if you have more than about 10 users.
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if this is a company wide thing, then you have to ask yourself - is it worth the hassle you're dealing with right now versus just paying MS for Pro Plus or E3 licenses.
Even if not whole company - hell, just 10 - is it still worth the effort you're dealing with?
No muss, no fuss if you just buy Pro Plus or E3, if you go mixing and matching.. well tons of hassles.
Also, FPP Office licenses are no longer transferable. The machine you install them onto they are stuck to, like OEM licenses. Plus I don't believe they allow you to install the product on my than one machine like O365 does.
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@Dashrender said:
Also, FPP Office licenses are no longer transferable.
I thought they were now? I though Microsoft changed its mind (again)?
About a quarter of the organisation uses Access (sadly) and I'd rather not mix and match plans. Neither do I want to pay for E3 for three-quarters of the organisation who don't need it. I'd prefer to treat Access as a standalone product, and ultimately persuade the organisation to stop using it all together (but that will take a couple of years).
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I thought they were now? I though Microsoft changed its mind (again)?
https://blogs.office.com/2013/03/06/office-2013-now-transferable/
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@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
My concern is that O365 is not the same version of Office as the volume licence. Volume licence is "Office Standard 2016" whereas O365 is "Office 365 Business". Effectively the same product, but technically different? Would I be breaking the licence by using "Office Standard" volume licence media to install "Office 365 Business?
I suspect I would.
I agree with you, I think you would be.
Also, where would you get a Key to use with the installation media?If you buy a single VL (assuming you already have an open license/open value agreement in place) then you just buy it and be done.
Depends on your SKU.. Many of the office 365 suites include volume media on MS VLSC to use.
Anyway using it on one computer through a different activation method when they prevented you from using something you bought would be protected by law. We'd do something like that.. Microsoft would have very little ground to stand on.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Dashrender said:
Also, FPP Office licenses are no longer transferable.
I thought they were now? I though Microsoft changed its mind (again)?
About a quarter of the organisation uses Access (sadly) and I'd rather not mix and match plans. Neither do I want to pay for E3 for three-quarters of the organisation who don't need it. I'd prefer to treat Access as a standalone product, and ultimately persuade the organisation to stop using it all together (but that will take a couple of years).
What better way to drive them to get rid of it than having a monthly/yearly cost to get rid of (O365 licenses)?
You don't want to mix E3 plans with BP plans? why? I thought you could pick and choose anything you need these days?
So you're willing to mix and match who has what Volume Licensing based products with O365 products, but not have a single pane showing you BP and E3 plans?
