Windows 10 Auto Update
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@Dashrender said:
The difference there for your family is you do the install for free (or whomever is doing the install - is probably free).
Heck no, I tell them to stop using Windows and needing me. I tell them all to move to Chromebooks because helping family is a horrible idea for everyone.
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@Dashrender said:
If computers came with a required 2 hours of onsite setup, then things would also be different. Of course this would require at minimum another $150 to the average cost, and allowing someone access to your home.
Toilets don't require that. Yet people don't question needing a plumber to install it. Requiring it isn't the answer.
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@Dashrender said:
So instead of requiring onsite setup by a pro - why does the OS do this for you? As I mentioned above... Apple computers do.
They also have backups and cloud services built in, don't forget.
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@Dashrender said:
So instead of requiring onsite setup by a pro - why does the OS do this for you? As I mentioned above... Apple computers do.
So does Linux and ChromeOS. Bottom line, Windows is for power users and if you choose a Power User platform but are not a power user or can't be bothered to get the assistance that you need it's your own fault. The options for systems that require less effort and knowledge are there, at some point the end user must be accountable for their decisions.
We are acting like the end users are four year olds or hamsters here or something and giving them no dignity or credit.
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@scottalanmiller said:
We are acting like the end users are four year olds or hamsters here or something and giving them no dignity or credit.
I honestly don't think you've met enough home users in the wild.
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No but I have had several hamsters.
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@scottalanmiller said:
No but I have had several hamsters.
Considering they lived with you, I bet they did backups on their little hamster computers.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No but I have had several hamsters.
Considering they lived with you, I bet they did backups on their little hamster computers.
Don't you even - we had a thread about that and NTG needs a lot of hamsters to get a RAIHAM10 array up
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Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
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Can non-admin users install updates by default?
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@BRRABill said:
Can non-admin users install updates by default?
Default yes. You can lock it down by group policy as we do on some computers and all servers
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@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
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Does this apply even if you uninstalled KB 2952664 + KB 3035583?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
If you're not using WSUS or some other package controlling software - I don't see another choice really - other than an admin running around desk to desk.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
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@wirestyle22 said:
Does this apply even if you uninstalled KB 2952664 + KB 3035583?
Probably, I don't think anyone is even tracking what updates force this issue on people. But I think it's worse than that. New updates are themselves the upgrade, not an old one giving prompts to upgrade.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
