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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller Not in the least, my biggest pain was getting CentOS up and running because I hadn't done it before.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        Originally Dustin could only get full backups, no incremental/differential ones. I see that has been solved by using XO.

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        • KellyK
          Kelly
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          @DustinB3403 were you able to do your backups with the free version of XO, or did you buy it? The pricing seems a bit high at a glance, but I haven't really evaluated it closely.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            Don't forget there are agent-based vendors too. StorageCraft, for example, works fine on XS and gives you pretty much everything that you are looking for.

            And I have that today with AppAssure Replay. I can get agents for Windows and Linux. But their cost is really high. Veeam smokes them in this space.

            One of the things that AppAssure Replay 4 had (I don't think 5 does - but have to check) was the ability to actually use the VM during a restore process. While it was slow as molasses, it was an option if you had to get something back online fast. though I'll admit I don't need that feature.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said:

              Originally Dustin could only get full backups, no incremental/differential ones. I see that has been solved by using XO.

              Oh, I thought his "solved by using XO" was the painful experience that you were referring to. You were referring to a previous attempt that he had made before XO.

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              • coliverC
                coliver @Kelly
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                @Kelly said:

                @DustinB3403 were you able to do your backups with the free version of XO, or did you buy it? The pricing seems a bit high at a glance, but I haven't really evaluated it closely.

                You can build the full XO from source without paying anything.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Kelly
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                  @Kelly said:

                  @DustinB3403 were you able to do your backups with the free version of XO, or did you buy it? The pricing seems a bit high at a glance, but I haven't really evaluated it closely.

                  he is using the free version. XO came on here and made a point that no features are locked to the paid version. They are truly FOSS and everything is available for free if you set it up yourself and run without support.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender I am still currently producing Fulls using NAUBackup for my production VM's. Because and only because I haven't completed the XO build with proper equipment.

                    It works, but takes up way more storage. Also it's free.

                    XO (from the sources) is free, and has Delta functionality. I'll likely be disabling the NAUBackup Crontab job shortly once I get this XO build up to what I find comfortable.

                    But you should totally check out both, they each have their own merits.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @Kelly
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                      @Kelly said:

                      @DustinB3403 were you able to do your backups with the free version of XO, or did you buy it? The pricing seems a bit high at a glance, but I haven't really evaluated it closely.

                      The free version.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @coliver
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                        @coliver said:

                        @Kelly said:

                        @DustinB3403 were you able to do your backups with the free version of XO, or did you buy it? The pricing seems a bit high at a glance, but I haven't really evaluated it closely.

                        You can build the full XO from source without paying anything.

                        It's not so much "build" from source as "deploy" from source. It isn't C that needs to be compiled.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @coliver said:

                          @Kelly said:

                          @DustinB3403 were you able to do your backups with the free version of XO, or did you buy it? The pricing seems a bit high at a glance, but I haven't really evaluated it closely.

                          You can build the full XO from source without paying anything.

                          It's not so much "build" from source as "deploy" from source. It isn't C that needs to be compiled.

                          Right, that makes sense.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

                              Ah... see that's what I would call building an application. I can understand the technical difference though.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                @coliver said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

                                Ah... see that's what I would call building an application. I can understand the technical difference though.

                                You call copying "building"? Like if you download an app ready to go from the internet, you call it "building"?

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @coliver said:

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

                                  Ah... see that's what I would call building an application. I can understand the technical difference though.

                                  You call copying "building"? Like if you download an app ready to go from the internet, you call it "building"?

                                  It counts as building it when you double click to install right? 😛

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    @coliver said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

                                    Ah... see that's what I would call building an application. I can understand the technical difference though.

                                    You call copying "building"? Like if you download an app ready to go from the internet, you call it "building"?

                                    I am living in the Windows world right now... apps ready to go from the internet are installed. Like I said I can see your point and will use the correct terminology going forward.

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                                    • stacksofplatesS
                                      stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @coliver said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

                                      Ah... see that's what I would call building an application. I can understand the technical difference though.

                                      You call copying "building"? Like if you download an app ready to go from the internet, you call it "building"?

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @coliver said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      Important because deploying from source just means "copying". It's not scary or anything. It is how lots of enterprise software, including the one that we are talking on, are installed today. It's nothing like getting a tarball and having to install a compiler and set flags and whatnot like people would think. It's a standard and very business type of installation methodology.

                                      Ah... see that's what I would call building an application. I can understand the technical difference though.

                                      You call copying "building"? Like if you download an app ready to go from the internet, you call it "building"?

                                      You do have to type npm build 😛

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        Don't forget there are agent-based vendors too. StorageCraft, for example, works fine on XS and gives you pretty much everything that you are looking for.

                                        Agent Based backups defeat the purpose of a virtualized infrastructure.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
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                                          I'm just confused now.

                                          In windows, I download an EXE, MSI, etc and double click on it and it asks me some questions and then installs itself.

                                          Deploying from Source definitely (to me) sounds like you will have C or whatever, code that needs to be compiled, then deployed to the proper directories to be installed.

                                          So that's not what is happening when you Deploy from Source? Instead you get pre compiled files that you simply copy to the needed locations (through a script I assume) and then run the installer (basically something that helps you run configure the app?

                                          So what is it called when you really do have to download the actual C code and compile before deploying?

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                                            @JaredBusch said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            Don't forget there are agent-based vendors too. StorageCraft, for example, works fine on XS and gives you pretty much everything that you are looking for.

                                            Agent Based backups defeat the purpose of a virtualized infrastructure.

                                            I see both sides of that coin.

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