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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
      last edited by

      You can't use VMWare's tool to create the VM. You have to use Xen's tool to create the image.

      @DustinB3403 - Help!

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      • IT-ADMINI
        IT-ADMIN
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        really, i though all VM has the same extension and can be imported into all hypervisors no matter how they were P2V,
        @scottalanmiller ,@DustinB3403 , @JaredBusch help ...lol

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        • IT-ADMINI
          IT-ADMIN
          last edited by

          it looks like our IT pros having a rest
          enjoy

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            So with XenServer (and specifically NAUBackup) the files that are created are VM_Name.xva which are specific to Xen.

            The other hypervisors I'm uncertain of what they create.

            Sorry I can't be more help.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
              last edited by

              Can you explain the P2V process for XenServer?

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said:

                Can you explain the P2V process for XenServer?

                Well its not P2V for XenServer.

                It's P2V for what ever server OS your using.

                We've used and had success with VMWare's P2V tool to an open format. Which is usable on XenServer.

                We didn't have much luck with XenServers P2V tool on XenServer oddly. Generally the recommendation is to just build a new VM server, reinstall your applications, and move any required files onto it.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  Sure, but it's likely @IT-ADMIN can't do that because of his licensing issue. So doing an actual P2V is kinda important here.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    The P2V process is dependent on the OS he's using.

                    I'd recommend trying VMWare's P2V Tool first to build an .OVA and import that into XenServer. (Or whatever his hypervisor is)

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                    • IT-ADMINI
                      IT-ADMIN
                      last edited by

                      why there is such limitation, is it because i'm using xenserver ??
                      what about using Hyper-v or ESXI, does the P2V would be easier ???

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
                        last edited by DustinB3403

                        OVA files are an open-format.

                        Meaning every Hypervisor should support importing them into your Hypervisor.

                        The backup tool I use, creates a backup file for the type of Hypervisor I'm using. Which is XenServer.

                        So it's much simpler to import a file that is designed for that system( .XVA), rather than a generic one (.OVA) when importing into XenServer.

                        Does it make sense?

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                        • IT-ADMINI
                          IT-ADMIN @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          OVA files are an open-format.

                          Meaning every Hypervisor should support importing them into your Hypervisor.

                          The backup tool I use, creates a backup file for the type of Hypervisor I'm using. Which is XenServer.

                          So it's much simpler to import a file that is designed for that system( .XVA), rather than a generic one (.OVA) when importing into XenServer.

                          Does it make sense?

                          it make sense for me,
                          so .OVA is designed to be imported into EXSI not XenServer, isn't it ??

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
                            last edited by

                            @IT-ADMIN No that's not correct.

                            Described here
                            is the description:

                            An OVF is a collection of items in a single folder. Most commonly this is a description file (.ovf) a manifest file (.mf), and virtual machine state files (*.vhd or *.vmdk)

                            An OVA is a single file. The OVA is the OVF folder contents all zipped into a single file. The purpose of the OVA is when you want to take an OVF and share it, or give it as a download. The OVA needs to be opened into the OVF before it can be consumed.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              OK, I think - so did @DustinB3403 install Xen or XenServer?

                              XenServer is a Citrix branding of the XCP distro of Xen.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                                last edited by

                                @IT-ADMIN said:

                                anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
                                something like veeam lol

                                @IT-ADMIN said:

                                anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
                                something like veeam lol

                                Nothing comparable to Veeam.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said:

                                  @Dashrender every single P2V i have ever done has caused Windows to drop its authentic status and require reactivation. I have never seen it stay activated.

                                  As it should because the OS sees a change in hardware. This is yet another "one of those" items on the list of "why we always virtualize from day one." It's a small caveat, but it is there.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                                    last edited by

                                    @IT-ADMIN said:

                                    @JaredBusch said:

                                    @Dashrender every single P2V i have ever done has caused Windows to drop its authentic status and require reactivation. I have never seen it stay activated.

                                    i get shocked, my dream to visualize is broken 😞

                                    Its' changing the underlying hardware. It should be expected that you will need to re-authenticate. We've discussed exactly this limitation stopping you from virtualizing in another thread.

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                                    • IT-ADMINI
                                      IT-ADMIN @IT-ADMIN
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                                      @IT-ADMIN said:

                                      when i first type the first letter of the key google bring the rest of it, then i found that so many website share that damn key,

                                      does this mean that my key is not genuine and will not activate my VM ??

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
                                        last edited by

                                        @IT-ADMIN said:

                                        @IT-ADMIN said:

                                        when i first type the first letter of the key google bring the rest of it, then i found that so many website share that damn key,

                                        does this mean that my key is not genuine and will not activate my VM ??

                                        That is likely yes.

                                        If you were so easily able to search for a CD key, and in your country you clearly don't care about being properly licensed what is stopping you or the company you work for from finding another product key?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                                          last edited by

                                          @IT-ADMIN said:

                                          @IT-ADMIN said:

                                          when i first type the first letter of the key google bring the rest of it, then i found that so many website share that damn key,

                                          does this mean that my key is not genuine and will not activate my VM ??

                                          Unfortunately, it is likely that the key no longer works. But it might, there is no way to really tell.

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                                          • IT-ADMINI
                                            IT-ADMIN @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                                            when i first type the first letter of the key google bring the rest of it, then i found that so many website share that damn key,

                                            does this mean that my key is not genuine and will not activate my VM ??

                                            That is likely yes.

                                            If you were so easily able to search for a CD key, and in your country you clearly don't care about being properly licensed what is stopping you or the company you work for from finding another product key?

                                            because now, i'm the IT person for the company, before the servers were sold to us with windows system
                                            and i'm not ready to repeat the same mistake and crack a windows copy,

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