Non-IT News Thread
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Arrest made in Rochester NY Mass shooting (7 people shot, 3 of whom died). Person arrested was not the attacker, but defending self from drive by shooter(s).
http://www.twcnews.com/nys/rochester/news/2015/08/22/genesee-street-shooting-arrest.html
Which quickly implies self defense (and defense of others) worthless in NY as you'll still be arrested. ....
"Just stand there and die damn it"
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@DustinB3403 said:
Which quickly implies self defense (and defense of others) worthless in NY as you'll still be arrested.
It implies nothing of the sort. He wasn't arrested for shooting in self defense, he was arrested for illegally owning a firearm and carrying it! Just because you do one thing in self defense does not mean you should be exempt from other laws. Doesn't look like the police did anything wrong here.
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I know that SAM, and was going to follow up but got side tracked.
Yes he had the weapon illegally, yes he shouldn't have shot in public. Yet how is anyone supposed to defend them self when being fired at. Legally owning the weapon or not.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Yet how is anyone supposed to defend them self when being fired at. Legally owning the weapon or not.
You just..... fire. What's the problem? Why are you asking this question? You are allowed to defend yourself. And this is a great example, he did and he got in no trouble for it.
You seem to be implying that there is some lack of right of self defense here, but this case very clearly supports that self defense is obviously legal.
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@DustinB3403 said:
...yes he shouldn't have shot in public.
No one has suggested that actually. Had he had a legal weapon he could quite certainly have used it in public.
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Related side note: the whole carrying a gun around in public thing creeps me the heck out.
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@MattSpeller said:
Related side note: the whole carrying a gun around in public thing creeps me the heck out.
Me too. It's crazy how many people going around in public loaded and very ready to fire. Living outside of the US you begin to realize just how scary the US is. The degree to which I can't find a place in Panama, for example, that I find the least bit scary. Yet in the US, I can't find a city that isn't scary.
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I'm guessing the video gave more details, the text doesn't give much at all other than to say he fired once and that he's a felon.
Without more information we can't say why he was detained.
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@MattSpeller said:
Related side note: the whole carrying a gun around in public thing creeps me the heck out.
I live in a super rural area... and it creeps me out too. This coming from a person who would like to get a handgun for target shooting and nothing else.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing the video gave more details, the text doesn't give much at all other than to say he fired once and that he's a felon.
Without more information we can't say why he was detained.
It tells you in the article. He was detained for illegal possession of a handgun.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing the video gave more details, the text doesn't give much at all other than to say he fired once and that he's a felon.
Without more information we can't say why he was detained.
The article linked tells exactly why he was detained.
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@coliver said:
I live in a super rural area... and it creeps me out too. This coming from a person who would like to get a handgun for target shooting and nothing else.
I'm an avid shooter and hunter, I still can't believe people tote them around like it's 1899
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Scott you're right he properly defended him self, while using an illegal weapon.
Now lets say he was completely following the law, and wasn't in possession of an illegal weapon, who's to say more people wouldn't have been killed.
That 1 return shot very well could've saved lifes.
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@MattSpeller said:
@coliver said:
I live in a super rural area... and it creeps me out too. This coming from a person who would like to get a handgun for target shooting and nothing else.
I'm an avid shooter and hunter, I still can't believe people tote them around like it's 1899
They didn't really tote them around much then, actually.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Scott you're right he properly defended him self, while using an illegal weapon.
Now lets say he was completely following the law, and wasn't in possession of an illegal weapon, who's to say more people wouldn't have been killed.
That 1 return shot very well could've saved lifes.
Or it could have killed an additional innocent bystander. I mean if we are playing the "what could have been" game.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing the video gave more details, the text doesn't give much at all other than to say he fired once and that he's a felon.
Without more information we can't say why he was detained.
It tells you in the article. He was detained for illegal possession of a handgun.
"criminal possession of a weapon" So it did - though this could be nearly anything the cops want it to be... or it could be nothing at all and charged dropped... we have no clue yet.
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@coliver said:
@MattSpeller said:
Related side note: the whole carrying a gun around in public thing creeps me the heck out.
I live in a super rural area... and it creeps me out too. This coming from a person who would like to get a handgun for target shooting and nothing else.
I grew up way out in the country and being shot at by people on your own property was a regular and very scary thing. I had a teacher shot at in her front yard by people in a car. Another teacher, the most avid pro-gunner you've ever met, and his own hunting partner was so drunk that he thought that he was a flying deer and shot him out of a tree stand!
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing the video gave more details, the text doesn't give much at all other than to say he fired once and that he's a felon.
Without more information we can't say why he was detained.
It tells you in the article. He was detained for illegal possession of a handgun.
"criminal possession of a weapon" So it did - though this could be nearly anything the cops want it to be... or it could be nothing at all and charged dropped... we have no clue yet.
We don't know the final situation, but we DO know what he was arrested for.
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@scottalanmiller good grief
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller good grief
Yeah, that teacher probably wished they hadn't been able to save him because he had to come back and face me after forcing the class that I was in to hear lecture after lecture about the safety of hunting instead of teaching the material that he was paid to teach (typing - which he could not do well.)
