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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
If it never gets put up for a vote, no one will ever know the 100% factual outcome. I believe if something is of utmost importance, then get off one's butt and do something. In this instance, they need to get a bill up for vote.
Then please - go and register as a candidate and get elected... because YOU'RE not doing what YOU believe should be done.. and if not you, then why should they?
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
Sometimes we have to say, put up or shut up! Heck, that is why I like voting, it is a yes/no answer of what the populous thinks (in Congress).
That's really not how the government in the US works, at all. Neither the senate, nor the president, come anywhere close to representing the populace. I want the populace represented too. I want the Senate shut down as it's not democratic at all. And I want Hilary in place since she won the popular vote.
Not that I like Hilary either, but I hate someone not winning the vote getting the "representative" vote. Representative is a way of saying "not the populace."
If we are going to have a vote, I want the people's voice to matter and all aspects of the government public. You can't have a populace opinion while still having things like the tax returns secret. That's my point about freedom a while ago.
LOL - we've talked about how utterly bad that is in the past.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
After four years, Nancy still hasn't lifted her finger to do so.
That's not how congress works. Your bias is strong.
Ummmm, She and Chucky have FULL power to generate a bill and put it before Congress. They did nothing so far and they ARE the ones in the position to make it happen.
The president can propose a bill, too. He doesn't get a vote until his veto at the end, but he has the right to propose it to congress. So just like Nancy or Chuck or hundreds of others, the president can propose a law and so falls under the same complaints as anyone else capable of proposing it.
But unlike the people you mentioned, if the president proposed it there would be a reasonable chance of it passing. So really, the people you are mentioning are the least responsible of all potential law makers, as they are the ones with the least possibility of making it happen. There are, however, some senators on the other side of the aisle and the president, who could swing the balance at least enough to make it worth the effort of trying.
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so we already know that @pmoncho has no fucking clue about how the US government works.
But to address a specific point.
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
They had total power under Obama, yet was never done.
Just WTF are you on? It was never needed then as no one in decades had not provided them in the first place. Why would anyone waste the money to do something not needed?
The last time sitting president was asked for tax returns was Nixon in 1974. We all know how that worked out.
Since then every single president and most candidates have released their taxes. For what reason would congress need to waste time and money to pass a law for something not required.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
Sometimes we have to say, put up or shut up! Heck, that is why I like voting, it is a yes/no answer of what the populous thinks (in Congress).
That's really not how the government in the US works, at all. Neither the senate, nor the president, come anywhere close to representing the populace. I want the populace represented too. I want the Senate shut down as it's not democratic at all. And I want Hilary in place since she won the popular vote.
Not that I like Hilary either, but I hate someone not winning the vote getting the "representative" vote. Representative is a way of saying "not the populace."
If we are going to have a vote, I want the people's voice to matter and all aspects of the government public. You can't have a populace opinion while still having things like the tax returns secret. That's my point about freedom a while ago.
LOL - we've talked about how utterly bad that is in the past.
There are good and bad things about a representative democracy. But it is a fact that our representative democracy also leaves people out intentionally.
That means it is not possible to be actually representative. That means it needs to be done away with, or made actually representative.
The easy example is Washington D.C. It was never intended to be such a large population center as to need representation, but that was 200 years ago. It is now millions of people without any representation in the Senate. This needs fixed.
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Ignoring the entire issue of his returns being leaked...
Why would it be important for candidate Trump to release tax returns?
Well in the run up to 2016, how often did he make claims about his business acumen?
How are we to gauge that? Because aside from making a fuck ton of money from The Apprentice, the only thing anyone publicly knew about candidate Trump, as a business man, is that he has failed multiple times in real estate ventures.
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Again ignoring the issue of the returns being leaked...
What have we learned from the information so far released?
We have learned that by making use of various tax laws he has managed to negate large amounts of losses. None of this is illegal. But going back to my prior post, neither does any of this also tells us that he was ever a successful business man.
Nothing says he owes money to foreign entities. haters like to speculate, but fuck speculation. Jsut stick to the actual known facts.
Paying an adjusted $750 in federal taxes means he did not make any profit (earnings) to be taxed. If you are not earning profit, then you are not a successful business man.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
If you are not earning profit, then you are not a successful business man.
This is key. He told people while running for president that he was successful. He told the IRS that he had the business acumen of a teenage McDonald's worker.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
If you are not earning profit, then you are not a successful business man.
This is key. He told people while running for president that he was successful. He told the IRS that he had the business acumen of a teenage McDonald's worker.
And neither of those two things are bad or illegal. But I'll be damned if I want to have that type of person as the President of the United States.
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Im just here for the popcorn.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
If you are not earning profit, then you are not a successful business man.
This is key. He told people while running for president that he was successful. He told the IRS that he had the business acumen of a teenage McDonald's worker.
And neither of those two things are bad or illegal. But I'll be damned if I want to have that type of person as the President of the United States.
Exactly, being a bad business person or a minimum wage worker doesn't make you a bad person. Just not someone you want controlling the world's second largest single budget.
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Hydrogen train tested in UK
BBC News - Hydrogen-powered train makes UK maiden journey
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Presidential debate: Trump and Biden trade insults in chaotic debate
President Donald Trump and his challenger Joe Biden have fiercely clashed in one of the most chaotic and bitter White House debates in years.
Mr Trump frequently interrupted, prompting Mr Biden to tell him to "shut up" as the two fought over the pandemic, healthcare and the economy. The US president was challenged over white supremacist support and refused to condemn a specific far-right group. Opinion polls suggest Mr Biden has a steady single-digit lead over Mr Trump. But with 35 days until election day, surveys from several important states show a closer contest. Polls also suggest one in 10 Americans have yet to make up their mind how to vote. But analysts said Tuesday night's debate - the first of three - probably would not make much difference. -
@mlnews It was a s*show, predominately led by the command in queef that is Donald Trump
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews It was a s*show, predominately led by the command in queef that is Donald Trump
Quite frankly, both options disgust me.
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@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
Presidential debate: Trump and Biden trade insults in chaotic debate
President Donald Trump and his challenger Joe Biden have fiercely clashed in one of the most chaotic and bitter White House debates in years.
Mr Trump frequently interrupted, prompting Mr Biden to tell him to "shut up" as the two fought over the pandemic, healthcare and the economy. The US president was challenged over white supremacist support and refused to condemn a specific far-right group. Opinion polls suggest Mr Biden has a steady single-digit lead over Mr Trump. But with 35 days until election day, surveys from several important states show a closer contest. Polls also suggest one in 10 Americans have yet to make up their mind how to vote. But analysts said Tuesday night's debate - the first of three - probably would not make much difference.Close polling doesn't sound good for the Biden camp. Remember what the polling looked like in 2016? And then remember how that turned out.
I can't remember reading that the polling companies have changed the way they do their polling. If they haven't, they're likely going to be wrong. Again.
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@Pete-S said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
Presidential debate: Trump and Biden trade insults in chaotic debate
President Donald Trump and his challenger Joe Biden have fiercely clashed in one of the most chaotic and bitter White House debates in years.
Mr Trump frequently interrupted, prompting Mr Biden to tell him to "shut up" as the two fought over the pandemic, healthcare and the economy. The US president was challenged over white supremacist support and refused to condemn a specific far-right group. Opinion polls suggest Mr Biden has a steady single-digit lead over Mr Trump. But with 35 days until election day, surveys from several important states show a closer contest. Polls also suggest one in 10 Americans have yet to make up their mind how to vote. But analysts said Tuesday night's debate - the first of three - probably would not make much difference.Close polling doesn't sound good for the Biden camp. Remember what the polling looked like in 2016? And then remember how that turned out.
I can't remember reading that the polling companies have changed the way they do their polling. If they haven't, they're likely going to be wrong. Again.
It's more than that, it's also that polls show what the people want, not what the electoral college does. Because the election is not a direct reflection of the American vote, a poll showing how people will vote only gives a partial picture of election results.
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@Pete-S said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
Presidential debate: Trump and Biden trade insults in chaotic debate
President Donald Trump and his challenger Joe Biden have fiercely clashed in one of the most chaotic and bitter White House debates in years.
Mr Trump frequently interrupted, prompting Mr Biden to tell him to "shut up" as the two fought over the pandemic, healthcare and the economy. The US president was challenged over white supremacist support and refused to condemn a specific far-right group. Opinion polls suggest Mr Biden has a steady single-digit lead over Mr Trump. But with 35 days until election day, surveys from several important states show a closer contest. Polls also suggest one in 10 Americans have yet to make up their mind how to vote. But analysts said Tuesday night's debate - the first of three - probably would not make much difference.Close polling doesn't sound good for the Biden camp. Remember what the polling looked like in 2016? And then remember how that turned out.
I can't remember reading that the polling companies have changed the way they do their polling. If they haven't, they're likely going to be wrong. Again.
The constant reports of polls led to voter apathy, so the attitude for many was, "I don't need to vote; others will do it for me." Everyone has to vote or else democracy fails.
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BBC News - Covid: Donald Trump and Melania test positive
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
BBC News - Covid: Donald Trump and Melania test positive
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54381848
