Small office phone setup
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@coliver said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender I'm confused, I thought that you were not doing something because you were not replacing the PBX. So you can replace all sites at once and use a single trunk for all calls?
Your original understanding is correct - I'm not replacing everyone all at once.
I'm only looking to replace one of my branches today.
When we look to replace or upgrade the system at our main location, we'll decide if we ditch the current vendor and move to something else, or stay with them and upgrade.
Unfortunately, upgrading will be less expensive in the short term. Replacing the old system entirely would require all new hand sets in the main location (approx 65) and possibly some recabling of the CAT 3 to 5e.
The phones would be approx $75/ea ($4875) plus POE switches (really don't want to be using power bricks), plus recabling, assume we have to do 3/4, at $100 a drop ($4875) Plus some software purchases for FreePBX and FOP2, etc.
I don't understand peoples' need to go PoE for phones. While I agree it can be handy, I look at it as one more thing to break. You have to buy PoE switches, which are, from what I've seen, a fair bit more expensive than standard switches. Upgrading the cabling would make sense though. Still, what's the big deal about plugging in one more cord for a phone?
Agreed, it is nice when you don't have a power socket handy... but most companies sell POE injectors for that occasion. In addition many phones now-a-days come with a 10/100(/1000) switch built in so running new wiring wouldn't be necessary if you already have a computer in the same room.
Cat3 is pretty old, so upgrading to Cat5e or Cat6 even (if your blood is a little richer) will improve quality and performance. Especially if you run ethernet to the phone and connect your computer through the phone, it'll make a difference.
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@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender I'm confused, I thought that you were not doing something because you were not replacing the PBX. So you can replace all sites at once and use a single trunk for all calls?
Your original understanding is correct - I'm not replacing everyone all at once.
I'm only looking to replace one of my branches today.
When we look to replace or upgrade the system at our main location, we'll decide if we ditch the current vendor and move to something else, or stay with them and upgrade.
Unfortunately, upgrading will be less expensive in the short term. Replacing the old system entirely would require all new hand sets in the main location (approx 65) and possibly some recabling of the CAT 3 to 5e.
The phones would be approx $75/ea ($4875) plus POE switches (really don't want to be using power bricks), plus recabling, assume we have to do 3/4, at $100 a drop ($4875) Plus some software purchases for FreePBX and FOP2, etc.
I don't understand peoples' need to go PoE for phones. While I agree it can be handy, I look at it as one more thing to break. You have to buy PoE switches, which are, from what I've seen, a fair bit more expensive than standard switches. Upgrading the cabling would make sense though. Still, what's the big deal about plugging in one more cord for a phone?
Medical - we need most if not all phones to work in a power outage (which means I did forget to specifically mention I'll need a larger UPS for the switches as well.
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@Dashrender PoE for handling power outages can make sense. But I would expect a medical facility to have central protected power and a need for computers and other devices to keep working too in case of power loss. Doesn't this negate the value of PoE for that purpose?
PoE can still be good, but it definitely is not needed to withstand an outage. It might be a good strategy, but it would come from more factors than just that.
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@Dashrender said:
The phones would be approx $75/ea ($4875) plus POE switches (really don't want to be using power bricks), plus recabling, assume we have to do 3/4, at $100 a drop ($4875) Plus some software purchases for FreePBX and FOP2, etc.
PoE could be done down the road, FreePBX is free, FOP2 is only $40. Phones are a real cost but one that starts paying for itself immediately. The longer you wait to replace the phones, the more you pay month to month. So if you know that they will ever be replaced, the sooner the better. It's like having a leaky gas tank. It costs money to replace, but it has to be done. The sooner you do it, the less gas is wasted.
And if not replacing all at once causes you to make decisions based on branch needs instead of company needs you might be costing yourself even more by creating a more complicated setup that might plague you for a long time.
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@scottalanmiller said:
PoE could be done down the road, FreePBX is free, FOP2 is only $40. Phones are a real cost but one that starts paying for itself immediately. The longer you wait to replace the phones, the more you pay month to month. So if you know that they will ever be replaced, the sooner the better. It's like having a leaky gas tank. It costs money to replace, but it has to be done. The sooner you do it, the less gas is wasted.
I don't follow - where am I wasting money right now by keeping my current solution that I'm only spending money on the services provided by the telco?
And if not replacing all at once causes you to make decisions based on branch needs instead of company needs you might be costing yourself even more by creating a more complicated setup that might plague you for a long time.
I definitely could do this in a single big bang - put I need to proof of concept it before it would be accepted here. I've ordered a few Yeahlink deskphones to test with my new FreePBX install
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@Dashrender said:
I don't follow - where am I wasting money right now by keeping my current solution that I'm only** spending money on the services provided by the telco**?
That's the money.
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Going to full VoIP you can drop the expensive telco and go to lower cost, higher reliability VoIP vendors.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't follow - where am I wasting money right now by keeping my current solution that I'm only** spending money on the services provided by the telco**?
That's the money.
I'm in a contract - so that won't change for a while (at my main location).
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@Dashrender said:
I'm in a contract - so that won't change for a while (at my main location).
Oh that sucks!
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@ajstringham said:
I don't understand peoples' need to go PoE for phones. While I agree it can be handy, I look at it as one more thing to break. You have to buy PoE switches, which are, from what I've seen, a fair bit more expensive than standard switches. Upgrading the cabling would make sense though. Still, what's the big deal about plugging in one more cord for a phone?
It is easily cost effective.
The HP 1910-24G is $266.
The HP 1910-24G PoE (375W) is $540Cost Difference = $274
Yealink T42G Power Adapter = $4.50 * 24 = $108
Add in reduced install time (say 3 minutes per desk to unbox power cord and plug it in) = 72 minutes * $120/hour = $144
Then add in the benefit of having solid backup power for the phones because it is centralized.
PoE always makes sense if you are going to be buying a switch.
If you are not buying a switch to begin with, then you have more to justify.
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@JaredBusch are you getting Yealinks without power adapters? I've not seen any Yealink or Snom models that don't include the power bricks. So the PoE cost is all extra. Have they stopped including them with all models?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch are you getting Yealinks without power adapters? I've not seen any Yealink or Snom models that don't include the power bricks. So the PoE cost is all extra. Have they stopped including them with all models?
All of the T4X series ship without them.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch are you getting Yealinks without power adapters? I've not seen any Yealink or Snom models that don't include the power bricks. So the PoE cost is all extra. Have they stopped including them with all models?
All of the T4X series ship without them.
Yeah, but most users wouldn't need anything more than a T2X series.
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@ajstringham said:
Yeah, but most users wouldn't need anything more than a T2X series.
The T4X series is the current line up. The T3X series is no longer receiving updates. I have not checked into the T2x series.
The T41 is the goto baseline phone IMO. The T42 for gigabit passthrough.
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Just checked the Yealink website and the T32G had an update in July with only security fixes.
Prior to that it was last updated March 2013. They have not officially announced anything to my knowledge, but I call that a product going EoL.
Source: http://www.yealink.com/Upload/firmware/T3X/Yealink T3X-V70 Release Notes.pdf
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Or it could just be considered very stable and nothing new needs to be done to it. As long as they are still supporting and patching when needed, that's not EOL.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Or it could just be considered very stable and nothing new needs to be done to it. As long as they are still supporting and patching when needed, that's not EOL.
Ok, how about this. The T3X series is NOT included in the new beta version of firmware v73.
http://forum.yealink.com/forum/announcements.php?aid=8 -
@JaredBusch that's "better".
Time to get some new phones, I think
Although my next desk phone is likely to be a Ubiquiti rather than a Yealink, need to test it. -
@scottalanmiller The long feature update drought was why I went with the T4X series in March when I bid the last VoIP roll out. I figured I may have some minor stability issues, but at least I would not be on an EoL series of phones.
Looks like a decent set of new features in the new firmware.
ftp://ftp.yealink.com/00.Firmwares/V73/Release Notes/Yealink_SIP_phones_Relese_Notes_of_Version73.pdf
