Fitness and Weightloss



  • @tim_g said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @penguinwrangler said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @mlnews said in Fitness and Weightloss:

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    The worst vegetable in the world masquerading as rice.

    I disagree. I like Cauliflower as a substitute for other things, potatoes, rice etc. The worst vegetable in the world goes to beets, especially if they are pickled. However, I do like beet juice in my home juicer.

    I'd rather have broccoli and sweet potatoes than cauliflower.

    I didn't say cauliflower was the best. It just is useful. My favorite veggie would have to be carrots, followed closely by turnip greens.

    @tim_g said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @penguinwrangler said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @mlnews said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    https://www.tastecooking.com/caul-me-by-your-name/

    The worst vegetable in the world masquerading as rice.

    I disagree. I like Cauliflower as a substitute for other things, potatoes, rice etc. The worst vegetable in the world goes to beets, especially if they are pickled. However, I do like beet juice in my home juicer.

    I'd rather have broccoli and sweet potatoes than cauliflower.

    I didn't say cauliflower was the best veggie just useful. I like carrots the best followed closely by turnip greens.



  • Just my 2 cents, but we need to be clear when we define what we are trying to say when we talk about health on this thread. Health and nutrition is very complicated and there is no best practice defined, it isn't like IT. I think for arguments sake we need to say if our goal in a suggestion is to loose weight, build muscle, run for distance, live longer, or what. As a culture especially in the US we see marathon runners and weight lifters and think, now that is healthy, but the reality is the runners and weight lifters who preform at the top level, die really young. Even if we post the magical formula of what is "healthy", it doesn't work for everyone. Some people at a genetic level do not thrive on the same diet and habits as another human. So be careful when talking about what is "best" for "health" and be clear what your goals are in making any change to your routine. Lastly, there are some things that are agreed upon. Being obese is bad, and it will kill you, so eat a little better, and try to maintain a decently healthy lifestyle. and let's not get stuck in the weeds about what is the best way to do it.



  • @s-hackleman said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    Just my 2 cents, but we need to be clear when we define what we are trying to say when we talk about health on this thread. Health and nutrition is very complicated and there is no best practice defined, it isn't like IT. I think for arguments sake we need to say if our goal in a suggestion is to loose weight, build muscle, run for distance, live longer, or what. As a culture especially in the US we see marathon runners and weight lifters and think, now that is healthy, but the reality is the runners and weight lifters who preform at the top level, die really young. Even if we post the magical formula of what is "healthy", it doesn't work for everyone. Some people at a genetic level do not thrive on the same diet and habits as another human. So be careful when talking about what is "best" for "health" and be clear what your goals are in making any change to your routine. Lastly, there are some things that are agreed upon. Being obese is bad, and it will kill you, so eat a little better, and try to maintain a decently healthy lifestyle. and let's not get stuck in the weeds about what is the best way to do it.

    I'm always speaking in the context of better health overall, which is a good balance of everything, where the below IS a best practice (to your best ability):

    • Diet
      • Avoid processed foods and drinks
      • Avoid added sugars
      • Avoid bad carbs (breads, potato, white rice, pastries, cereals, etc)
      • Go for unprocessed, more natural foods: (natually a more healthy choice by default)
        • walnuts, pecans, peanuts, etc.
        • peas, broccoli, spinach, etc.
        • avocado, sweet potato / yam, whole oats, etc.
        • tuna, salmon, turkey, black beans, etc.
        • banana, dates, berries, etc.
    • Sleep
      • 8.5 hours "in bed"
      • 7-8 hours of actual sleeping
        • if this is difficult, try "sleep compression"
    • Exercise
      • Strength Training (muscle, bone, heart, lung health)
      • Cardio (heart and lung health)


  • @tim_g said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @s-hackleman said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    Just my 2 cents, but we need to be clear when we define what we are trying to say when we talk about health on this thread. Health and nutrition is very complicated and there is no best practice defined, it isn't like IT. I think for arguments sake we need to say if our goal in a suggestion is to loose weight, build muscle, run for distance, live longer, or what. As a culture especially in the US we see marathon runners and weight lifters and think, now that is healthy, but the reality is the runners and weight lifters who preform at the top level, die really young. Even if we post the magical formula of what is "healthy", it doesn't work for everyone. Some people at a genetic level do not thrive on the same diet and habits as another human. So be careful when talking about what is "best" for "health" and be clear what your goals are in making any change to your routine. Lastly, there are some things that are agreed upon. Being obese is bad, and it will kill you, so eat a little better, and try to maintain a decently healthy lifestyle. and let's not get stuck in the weeds about what is the best way to do it.

    I'm always speaking in the context of better health overall, which is a good balance of everything, where the below IS a best practice (to your best ability):

    • Diet
      • Avoid processed foods and drinks
      • Avoid added sugars
      • Avoid bad carbs (breads, potato, white rice, pastries, cereals, etc)
      • Go for unprocessed, more natural foods: (natually a more healthy choice by default)
        • walnuts, pecans, peanuts, etc.
        • peas, broccoli, spinach, etc.
        • avocado, sweet potato / yam, whole oats, etc.
        • tuna, salmon, turkey, black beans, etc.
        • banana, dates, berries, etc.
    • Sleep
      • 8.5 hours "in bed"
      • 7-8 hours of actual sleeping
        • if this is difficult, try "sleep compression"
    • Exercise
      • Strength Training (muscle, bone, heart, lung health)
      • Cardio (heart and lung health)

    Wellโ€ฆ for diet, you miss the first and most important point, the energy balance. You have to eat the right amount of calories per day, thatโ€™s the foundamental point. You can get this amount eating junk food or good stuff, but they are still calories.



  • I dont get how white rice is considered bad. 4 billion people eat it as their main source of food every day. None has type 2 diabetes or is obese.



  • @francesco-provino said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @tim_g said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @s-hackleman said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    Just my 2 cents, but we need to be clear when we define what we are trying to say when we talk about health on this thread. Health and nutrition is very complicated and there is no best practice defined, it isn't like IT. I think for arguments sake we need to say if our goal in a suggestion is to loose weight, build muscle, run for distance, live longer, or what. As a culture especially in the US we see marathon runners and weight lifters and think, now that is healthy, but the reality is the runners and weight lifters who preform at the top level, die really young. Even if we post the magical formula of what is "healthy", it doesn't work for everyone. Some people at a genetic level do not thrive on the same diet and habits as another human. So be careful when talking about what is "best" for "health" and be clear what your goals are in making any change to your routine. Lastly, there are some things that are agreed upon. Being obese is bad, and it will kill you, so eat a little better, and try to maintain a decently healthy lifestyle. and let's not get stuck in the weeds about what is the best way to do it.

    I'm always speaking in the context of better health overall, which is a good balance of everything, where the below IS a best practice (to your best ability):

    • Diet
      • Avoid processed foods and drinks
      • Avoid added sugars
      • Avoid bad carbs (breads, potato, white rice, pastries, cereals, etc)
      • Go for unprocessed, more natural foods: (natually a more healthy choice by default)
        • walnuts, pecans, peanuts, etc.
        • peas, broccoli, spinach, etc.
        • avocado, sweet potato / yam, whole oats, etc.
        • tuna, salmon, turkey, black beans, etc.
        • banana, dates, berries, etc.
    • Sleep
      • 8.5 hours "in bed"
      • 7-8 hours of actual sleeping
        • if this is difficult, try "sleep compression"
    • Exercise
      • Strength Training (muscle, bone, heart, lung health)
      • Cardio (heart and lung health)

    Wellโ€ฆ for diet, you miss the first and most important point, the energy balance. You have to eat the right amount of calories per day, thatโ€™s the foundamental point. You can get this amount eating junk food or good stuff, but they are still calories.

    Yes calories are important for maintaining a healthy weight, but more importantly for overall health, it's what you eat.

    Eating 3000 calories of sugar will be much worse for your body and health than eating 3000 calories of avocado and walnuts.


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    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I dont get how white rice is considered bad. 4 billion people eat it as their main source of food every day. None has type 2 diabetes or is obese.

    Regions that eat white rice have insanely high diabetes rates. India, for example, is famous for this. Areas that tend to eat the most rice tend to do so because they are very poor and poverty is typically what affects the obesity.


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    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I dont get how white rice is considered bad. 4 billion people eat it as their main source of food every day. None has type 2 diabetes or is obese.

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    At my last job, I worked with a guy who had T2 Diabetes from a lifetime of white rice diet. His doctor specifically mentioned the problems of cultural rice addiction from that part of the world and how this patient, like others of his, would keep eating white rice, regardless of the health risks, even after they knew how bad it was and had gotten diabetes from it. The cultural drive to eat white rice with every meal was so strong that diabetes was just accepted as part and parcel of life.

    I've known a lot of people personally with rice-based Type 2 diabetes.



  • I had no idea. Nearly 30% of some countries have diabetes, incredible. I guess that puts Murica right in the middle.


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    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I had no idea. Nearly 30% of some countries have diabetes, incredible. I guess that puts Murica right in the middle.

    The thing about America is that we have such diabetes without the normal global triggers. Unlike countries that are poor and have nothing but rice, we have no good excuse for eating badly.


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    Although, to be truthful, isn't America a world leader in rice production?


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    Apparently not in total, nor by capita. I know that some places like Arkansas make quite a bit.


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    @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I had no idea. Nearly 30% of some countries have diabetes, incredible. I guess that puts Murica right in the middle.

    The thing about America is that we have such diabetes without the normal global triggers. Unlike countries that are poor and have nothing but rice, we have no good excuse for eating badly.

    Right.





  • @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @momurda said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I had no idea. Nearly 30% of some countries have diabetes, incredible. I guess that puts Murica right in the middle.

    The thing about America is that we have such diabetes without the normal global triggers. Unlike countries that are poor and have nothing but rice, we have no good excuse for eating badly.

    Our excuse is the incredible amounts of processed foods being shoved down our throats.


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    We are starting to cook homemade bread at home. Although, maybe "no bread" is the better option. But lots of very healthy cuisines eat loads of bread.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    We are starting to cook homemade bread at home. Although, maybe "no bread" is the better option. But lots of very healthy cuisines eat loads of bread.

    Yeah its hard to not eat bread... So if you're going to, home made with good ingredients is best.



  • Trying to figure out and making list what food to eat during my travel.
    I understand a lot of food in OZ but as advise of my Doctor, just eat foods that I'm currently eating or what I've used to before the marathon.
    <insert beer>


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    I bet Australian food is way less healthy than you are used to ๐Ÿ™‚



  • @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I bet Australian food is way less healthy than you are used to ๐Ÿ™‚

    I've marked the Asian Store in google map just in case.



  • I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.


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    @joy said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I bet Australian food is way less healthy than you are used to ๐Ÿ™‚

    I've marked the Asian Store in google map just in case.

    This is our local store...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_Mart



  • @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Kidding aside, how many calories is that single meal per day? Hopefully you are getting enough essential nutrients.


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    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Drop the other two and you'll lose way more.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Drop the other two and you'll lose way more.

    He said he was already down to 1 meal a day, so... ๐Ÿ˜›


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    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Drop the other two and you'll lose way more.

    He said he was already down to 1 meal a day, so... ๐Ÿ˜›

    Ah, well then...



  • @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Drop the other two and you'll lose way more.

    He said he was already down to 1 meal a day, so... ๐Ÿ˜›

    Ah, well then...

    Where's JB when you a FFS dropped? ๐Ÿ˜›



  • @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Kidding aside, how many calories is that single meal per day? Hopefully you are getting enough essential nutrients.

    I'm probably around 1000 cals a day, maybe 1300. I'm not actually counting, just really cutting back.
    I should look at a multivitamin. And I definitely need to start the Vit D again.



  • @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    @dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:

    I started my dieting in Jan 2018. Scale when I started was 210 lbs. Today, scale said 189.8. Down 20, 15 lbs to go.

    Recently did a road trip with a friend who eats one meal a day. I adopted that more or less since then, I've dropped 5 lbs in under two weeks. The hardest part is weekends at home when my wife is eating three meals - just means I need to find more to keep myself busy and not think about food.

    Drop that last meal per day I bet you will lose that last 15 lbs incredibly fast!

    Kidding aside, how many calories is that single meal per day? Hopefully you are getting enough essential nutrients.

    I'm probably around 1000 cals a day, maybe 1300. I'm not actually counting, just really cutting back.
    I should look at a multivitamin. And I definitely need to start the Vit D again.

    Well, technically, weight loss comes down to calories.

    At 190 lbs, you probably burn a little over 2,200 calories per day doing almost nothing.

    3,500 calories is about 1lbs, not per day, just in general I mean.

    To burn that many calories, you either have to eat less, exercise more, or the best option, eat optimally and exercise more.

    You don't want to lose too fast, otherwise it'll be hard, and afterwards, you're much more likely to gain it back later. Also, you don't want to lose too slowly, or you'll become hopeless and give up.

    Maybe 3 small meals per day, totalling around 2k calories, plus a good amount of weight training and cardio more days per week than not.

    If exercise is impossible, then yes, you'll just have to eat less... what can ya do? But if you can, eat healthy and exercise.