Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@Obsolesce sorry, the reference was OED, ... (supposedly, the OED is paid and this is quoted by WIkipedia)
"designating a member of the first (or second, etc.) generation of a family to do something or live somewhere; spec. designating a naturalized immigrant or a descendant of immigrant parents, esp. in the United States"
Wikipedia: "There is no universal consensus on which of these meanings is always intended."
So Wikipedia documents itself in this case.
Oh I see, that makes sense.
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Here we go, part of the reference is here, which is linked by DuoLingo to Oxford that redirects to Lexico, and doesn't contain the part of hte quote that I want, but does show the conflict, lol...
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Heading up to Montecatini Alto for some dinner.
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@Obsolesce also to complicate matters WAY further....
If an American is born abroad, and brought back to the US, they are NOT considered immigrants. But if they stayed where they were born, they would be considered immigrants. Even though they were born there, often.
Italians stay Italians forever, in many cases. With Italy recognizing citizenship indefinitely. So for example, my wife is the daughter of an Italian citizen. So in some contexts, she herself is an immigrant, even having been born in the US. No one uses it that way, but Italians specifically have this complexity that most countries do not.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@Obsolesce also to complicate matters WAY further....
If an American is born abroad, and brought back to the US, they are NOT considered immigrants. But if they stayed where they were born, they would be considered immigrants. Even though they were born there, often.
Italians stay Italians forever, in many cases. With Italy recognizing citizenship indefinitely. So for example, my wife is the daughter of an Italian citizen. So in some contexts, she herself is an immigrant, even having been born in the US. No one uses it that way, but Italians specifically have this complexity that most countries do not.
That's because there is a difference between being "born abroad", as in on vacation or on a short residency, and simply born in a different country than your parents because they had emigrated.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
Heading up to Montecatini Alto for some dinner.
That's a nice place!
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@Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@Obsolesce also to complicate matters WAY further....
If an American is born abroad, and brought back to the US, they are NOT considered immigrants. But if they stayed where they were born, they would be considered immigrants. Even though they were born there, often.
Italians stay Italians forever, in many cases. With Italy recognizing citizenship indefinitely. So for example, my wife is the daughter of an Italian citizen. So in some contexts, she herself is an immigrant, even having been born in the US. No one uses it that way, but Italians specifically have this complexity that most countries do not.
That's because there is a difference between being "born abroad", as in on vacation or on a short residency, and simply born in a different country than your parents because they had emigrated.
There is, definitely. But it makes the concepts murky. Like my kids were birn abroad to Italian parents. But are Americans. But are often called immigrants.
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Only one full day left after today before we had back to the USofA.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
Only one full day left after today before we had back to the USofA.
Are you ready to get back?
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@Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
Only one full day left after today before we had back to the USofA.
Are you ready to get back?
Yeah. I want to stay in Spain, of course, but we are worn out from the constant "travel" and I really miss my kids. Going to be "traveling" in NY for the next three weeks, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
Only one full day left after today before we had back to the USofA.
Are you ready to get back?
Yeah. I want to stay in Spain, of course, but we are worn out from the constant "travel" and I really miss my kids. Going to be "traveling" in NY for the next three weeks, though.
Where are the kids?
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@Dashrender said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:
Only one full day left after today before we had back to the USofA.
Are you ready to get back?
Yeah. I want to stay in Spain, of course, but we are worn out from the constant "travel" and I really miss my kids. Going to be "traveling" in NY for the next three weeks, though.
Where are the kids?
In Utica, NY with my SIL.
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This morning in Barcelona.
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Trip is done, time to head for home. See everyone from the US (or from the airport, probably.)
