Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
This is a "focused inbox" issue, not conversation view, and completely separate from it.
What is?
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@bnrstnr said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
There are a few people I work with that sort all emails into a like a million different folders. It's awful. Every time they need to look something up they're searching through folders like crazy. Just leave it all in one place and use the search bar at the top...
No experience with CV though, and focused was certainly a waste of programming time.
I sort into ONE folder. I archive everything I'm done with in one place (okay two, one for work stuff, one for personal.) That's all. So it makes sorting WAY cleaner. But it means CV can't work.
Just archiving mails so that they aren't in your inbox, considered the most basic way people should use email, makes CV a huge problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
If you organize by sender, but that is actually not very helpful as it's a very easy search filter to use. It makes more sense to organize by subject in most cases. Automated rules sorting by sender don't really mean jack. I've seen people have 40 different folders for that. Absolutely no reason to do so as it's the most used search filter known to email.
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CV seems to be based on the people who simply let their email pile up in one folder forever. It's like enabling the worst behaviour.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
If you organize by sender, but that is actually not very helpful as it's a very easy search filter to use. It makes more sense to organize by subject in most cases. Automated rules sorting by sender don't really mean jack. I've seen people have 40 different folders for that. Absolutely no reason to do so as it's the most used search filter known to email.
I don't organize by anything and it has the problem. Not sure why people organize by stuff, other than a few super basic things, it's just unnecessary noise.
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@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
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Kind of like ML categories. Having a handful of discrete places to organize things lets people search: serious posts, funny posts, platform announcements, job listings, etc. Things that never cross over between them. But if you do SW style folders with a folder for every possible thing, it doesn't work as you can't tell where things go as 100 folders apply to every topic.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
okay
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I only use it in GMAIL. Even then, I would prefer not to use it in most cases. For work, I never turn that shit on. It is easy to lose shit that way.
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As far as "organizing", I only use search folders (not subfolders) for a couple of things like to/from my boss and VARs. Everything just stays in the inbox. Makes it much easier to maintain.
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@scottalanmiller
Okay, so I replied to your first email, then archived it.Now I just received your second email, or the third email in the conversation.
It's showing up as a new conversation. Meaning, it's a folder by folder basis I'm assuming, and does not include the previous messages.
Edit: email is still set to pacific time.... need to fix that, it's a bit confusing now.
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@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Yeah, the focused inbox is something that created havoc when they first rolled that out and enabled it by default. All my users were missing messages. Now, I turn that off prior to giving out new systems.
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@wrx7m said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Yeah, the focused inbox is something that created havoc when they first rolled that out and enabled it by default. All my users were missing messages. Now, I turn that off prior to giving out new systems.
At my last job, we disabled it globally in O365, as NOBODY wanted it.
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@Obsolesce I will have to check to see if anyone is actually using it by choice. If not, I will look into doing that.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Focused Inbox, Clutter that you can't turn off... so many other issues with MS mailboxes
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@DustinB3403 well there you go, found the problem...you're using Outlook
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I only use CV within Gmail (have since 2014-09-01) and could not imagine going back to the old way. I've tried a few times and it was painful.
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CV works pretty well in Zoho.
I can toll the whole chain into any folder or archive it or whatever. Even delete one of the middle emails in the chain, no problem. When a new email shows up, the entire chain basically goes to the top of the inbox again.
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
In Thunderbird, even when not using CV, I would very often right-click the email and open the full chain to do just that, see them all in order of send/receive, it's quite handy.
