Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I purposely use conversation view in email. It's very convenient that way, having all message of the same chain together and easily referenced without leaving.
It seems like it would be, but holy hell I can never find anything if I do that.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@DustinB3403 said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I purposely use conversation view in email. It's very convenient that way, having all message of the same chain together and easily referenced without leaving.
I recently tried without it thinking it'd be better again without it, but I quickly found myself turning it back on.
Then you've obviously not encountered an issue of "DID YOU SEE THE EMAIL I SENT YOU 3 HOURS AGO, WHERE THE HELL ARE WE AT WITH THIS" type of problem.
Conversation view is fucking dumb.
Every time you get a new email when in converstaion view, it's shown at the very top, just like normal, as it's a new email... no idea what you're talking about.
Not any that I've used. Partially because the conversation and chronology don't always line up. And partially because Google does the opposite.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I never miss new emails. Not becuase I get notifications (i usually ignore them anyways), but because just like non-conversation view, new emails always appear at the top, always, in bold "unread" text. Yes, the rest of the conversation is behind it, and is shown if you click the drop-down, but I have no idea what he's talking about. It's not like he says AT ALL, not with Outlook, not with Gmail, now in OWA, nowhere I've ever seen, not with anybody.
CV specifically does not work that way for me. Probably because once I'm done with an email I don't keep it in my inbox so that I stay on top of organization and what needs to be done.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
This is a "focused inbox" issue, not conversation view, and completely separate from it.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
There are a few people I work with that sort all emails into a like a million different folders. It's awful. Every time they need to look something up they're searching through folders like crazy. Just leave it all in one place and use the search bar at the top...
No experience with CV though, and focused was certainly a waste of programming time.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
This is a "focused inbox" issue, not conversation view, and completely separate from it.
What is?
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@bnrstnr said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
There are a few people I work with that sort all emails into a like a million different folders. It's awful. Every time they need to look something up they're searching through folders like crazy. Just leave it all in one place and use the search bar at the top...
No experience with CV though, and focused was certainly a waste of programming time.
I sort into ONE folder. I archive everything I'm done with in one place (okay two, one for work stuff, one for personal.) That's all. So it makes sorting WAY cleaner. But it means CV can't work.
Just archiving mails so that they aren't in your inbox, considered the most basic way people should use email, makes CV a huge problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
If you organize by sender, but that is actually not very helpful as it's a very easy search filter to use. It makes more sense to organize by subject in most cases. Automated rules sorting by sender don't really mean jack. I've seen people have 40 different folders for that. Absolutely no reason to do so as it's the most used search filter known to email.
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CV seems to be based on the people who simply let their email pile up in one folder forever. It's like enabling the worst behaviour.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
If you organize by sender, but that is actually not very helpful as it's a very easy search filter to use. It makes more sense to organize by subject in most cases. Automated rules sorting by sender don't really mean jack. I've seen people have 40 different folders for that. Absolutely no reason to do so as it's the most used search filter known to email.
I don't organize by anything and it has the problem. Not sure why people organize by stuff, other than a few super basic things, it's just unnecessary noise.
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@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
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Kind of like ML categories. Having a handful of discrete places to organize things lets people search: serious posts, funny posts, platform announcements, job listings, etc. Things that never cross over between them. But if you do SW style folders with a folder for every possible thing, it doesn't work as you can't tell where things go as 100 folders apply to every topic.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
okay
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I only use it in GMAIL. Even then, I would prefer not to use it in most cases. For work, I never turn that shit on. It is easy to lose shit that way.
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As far as "organizing", I only use search folders (not subfolders) for a couple of things like to/from my boss and VARs. Everything just stays in the inbox. Makes it much easier to maintain.
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@scottalanmiller
Okay, so I replied to your first email, then archived it.Now I just received your second email, or the third email in the conversation.
It's showing up as a new conversation. Meaning, it's a folder by folder basis I'm assuming, and does not include the previous messages.
Edit: email is still set to pacific time.... need to fix that, it's a bit confusing now.
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@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Yeah, the focused inbox is something that created havoc when they first rolled that out and enabled it by default. All my users were missing messages. Now, I turn that off prior to giving out new systems.
