Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income
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The US is the one of only two countries in the developed world, the other being Mexico, where with the increase in free time brought about by modern conveniences throughout the 20th century didn't turn it into leisure time but instead went to more work time.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Your point might have been that they have more than US citizens do, but so what? I didn’t say anything about passport based travel, you brought that up after my generic travel comments.
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US. What are you missing? You were saying that Americans need to travel. But we know that isn't true, Americans are the least traveling large group around. And many that travel do so against their "will" for work or family obligations, not out of a desire to actually leave home.
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
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I think Americans don't travel (passport or no passport) because they'd rather have stuff than experiences. It's a cultural difference.
LOL - sometimes I wish my house would burn down so it would be easy for me to let go of all of my possessions. I'm definitely not immune to the typical American attitude of collecting stuffs... though in the past 5 years, I've definitely cut way back, and even sold some stuff - but I have a long way to go.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
I think Americans don't travel (passport or no passport) because they'd rather have stuff than experiences. It's a cultural difference.
LOL - sometimes I wish my house would burn down so it would be easy for me to let go of all of my possessions. I'm definitely not immune to the typical American attitude of collecting stuffs... though in the past 5 years, I've definitely cut way back, and even sold some stuff - but I have a long way to go.
I know that I'm abnormal for Merica. 850sq ft apartment, only half in actual use.
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@travisdh1 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
I think Americans don't travel (passport or no passport) because they'd rather have stuff than experiences. It's a cultural difference.
LOL - sometimes I wish my house would burn down so it would be easy for me to let go of all of my possessions. I'm definitely not immune to the typical American attitude of collecting stuffs... though in the past 5 years, I've definitely cut way back, and even sold some stuff - but I have a long way to go.
I know that I'm abnormal for Merica. 850sq ft apartment, only half in actual use.
I'm not sure what you mean by half in use - I assume 850 is a two bedroom, possibly 3 bedroom house with a basement. So you likely use the kitchen, bathroom, living room and one bedroom. That would leave the basement and 1-2 bedrooms not in use.. is that right?
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@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Now that you mention that - I do recall hearing something about that.
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@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Now that you mention that - I do recall hearing something about that.
NY got an extension IIRC and it will be required in 2020... but there are some states that didn't get the extension and the requirements went into effect in 2018.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
Right, the point is that if you don't have the enhanced/RealID drivers license you will be required to have a passport to fly.
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@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
Right, the point is that if you don't have the enhanced/RealID drivers license you will be required to have a passport to fly.
Starting next year?
I wonder how they are going to enforce that? Will the TSA agent be the one enforcing it when they are checking your boarding pass? I'm sure you don't know, I'm just wondering out loud.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
Right, the point is that if you don't have the enhanced/RealID drivers license you will be required to have a passport to fly.
Starting next year?
I wonder how they are going to enforce that? Will the TSA agent be the one enforcing it when they are checking your boarding pass? I'm sure you don't know, I'm just wondering out loud.
Yes, the TSA will be unable to accept non-RealID compliant identification.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
We were talking about international travel, not going to the store or whatever. People mean international mostly when they say travel (maybe not americans, again, proving the point that you feel Chicago is travel.)
Also there ARE places in the US where passports are required or effectively required, like southern Texas and Puerto Rico.
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@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
There is a strong move towards requiring "documents" inside of the US. It's always been illegal before, but they are overlooking those laws or working around them by doing things like claiming the whole country is a border zone not covered by the constitution.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
that's a lot like a passport check.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
Right, the point is that if you don't have the enhanced/RealID drivers license you will be required to have a passport to fly.
Starting next year?
I wonder how they are going to enforce that? Will the TSA agent be the one enforcing it when they are checking your boarding pass? I'm sure you don't know, I'm just wondering out loud.
Of course, they are already doing that. Everywhere.
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@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
Right, the point is that if you don't have the enhanced/RealID drivers license you will be required to have a passport to fly.
Starting next year?
I wonder how they are going to enforce that? Will the TSA agent be the one enforcing it when they are checking your boarding pass? I'm sure you don't know, I'm just wondering out loud.
Yes, the TSA will be unable to accept non-RealID compliant identification.
They have automated scanners as it is. They already run it through a computer. Making the TSA enforce the new requirement won't even require training, it's literally the developer flipping a bit to turn it on.
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
We were talking about international travel, not going to the store or whatever. People mean international mostly when they say travel (maybe not americans, again, proving the point that you feel Chicago is travel.)
Also there ARE places in the US where passports are required or effectively required, like southern Texas and Puerto Rico.
huh - I suppose most world citizens likely consider travel to really mean international travel - but I highly doubt that most Americans consider travel to mainly mean international.
I suppose I could ask my stupid FB feed.
