Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
No need to as they can enforce however they like from a "marking not to rehire". They can't claim that you didn't give notice, or that you did anything wrong. Just "would you rehire" and that's meaningless and any even pretty shitty company knows that.
As long as you give two weeks notice, they would have to lie to say otherwise, which would get them in a lot of trouble.
Scott, I know you dont believe this, but .......
HR does these type of things in every medium or large company I have ever worked for... Every manager I have dealt with does not care enough to do all that HR paperwork BS and reference checking. That is why they hire headhunters to do the initial screening. Anything beyond initial screening is done by HR. I have always seen this to be the case for large companies.
You think they are breaking the law and no one is calling them on it?
It is possible. Also, another practice I thought was weird is the fact that they WILL NOT HIRE you if you use tobacco. It doesnt matter if you decline healthcare. They will not hire you if you use tobacco. You are tested for it along with other drugs.
That kind of seems illegalish...haha
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
No need to as they can enforce however they like from a "marking not to rehire". They can't claim that you didn't give notice, or that you did anything wrong. Just "would you rehire" and that's meaningless and any even pretty shitty company knows that.
As long as you give two weeks notice, they would have to lie to say otherwise, which would get them in a lot of trouble.
Scott, I know you dont believe this, but .......
HR does these type of things in every medium or large company I have ever worked for... Every manager I have dealt with does not care enough to do all that HR paperwork BS and reference checking. That is why they hire headhunters to do the initial screening. Anything beyond initial screening is done by HR. I have always seen this to be the case for large companies.
You think they are breaking the law and no one is calling them on it?
Unless the new possible employer tells you, how would you know?
And would they be willing to go to court to say they were told bad things about you? -
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
This shows why I never call for references. The reference system is a scam.
I agree, but references will be a requirement for 98% of jobs for a long time.
I don't believe this. Maybe 50%. I'm used as a reference for a lot of people, and almost never get calls. People ask for references way more than they call them. And even if they call them, they have to also then turn someone down based on the responses. If the response is "we had to fire them for legal reasons", sure. But if it is "they didn't give ENOUGH notice on a contract we won't show you", what buffoon is going to not hire you for that? No one with a functional company, that's for sure.
And that's still assuming that you can't get a single good reference. No one needs twenty of them, no one checks every job. It is SO easy to get good references, there is no real fear in getting stuck with a bad one.
The system is broken, no one can be reasonably held captive by it, it's just a time waster to make HR look busy. But it's not a reasonable threat to someone in looking for another job.
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@Dashrender said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
No need to as they can enforce however they like from a "marking not to rehire". They can't claim that you didn't give notice, or that you did anything wrong. Just "would you rehire" and that's meaningless and any even pretty shitty company knows that.
As long as you give two weeks notice, they would have to lie to say otherwise, which would get them in a lot of trouble.
Scott, I know you dont believe this, but .......
HR does these type of things in every medium or large company I have ever worked for... Every manager I have dealt with does not care enough to do all that HR paperwork BS and reference checking. That is why they hire headhunters to do the initial screening. Anything beyond initial screening is done by HR. I have always seen this to be the case for large companies.
You think they are breaking the law and no one is calling them on it?
Unless the new possible employer tells you, how would you know?
And would they be willing to go to court to say they were told bad things about you?If they don't hire you, they often would be happy to, because otherwise that's how you get saddled with a discrimination lawsuit.
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@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@JaredBusch said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I gave three weeks of notice for my last job and I trained my replacement for two months before and those three weeks. I was full in for three weeks (I know, it is an exception).
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
I've never had to deal with a global policy like that. There are probably some companies that try to put in something, but I don't know if that would stand up in court if it was just in the company policy that you sign and not the actual work contract.
My current company requires a month notice, I am told. I dont know how or where it is located in the contract, but the word around the office is that if you dont give the full month, they will mark do not rehire under name. Which means if a potential employer calls to confirm employment, you now have a do not hire mark by your name.
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
It's pretty illegal to state much else other than "yes that person worked here between datestamp and datestamp" if people call for a reference.
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@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
No need to as they can enforce however they like from a "marking not to rehire". They can't claim that you didn't give notice, or that you did anything wrong. Just "would you rehire" and that's meaningless and any even pretty shitty company knows that.
As long as you give two weeks notice, they would have to lie to say otherwise, which would get them in a lot of trouble.
Scott, I know you dont believe this, but .......
HR does these type of things in every medium or large company I have ever worked for... Every manager I have dealt with does not care enough to do all that HR paperwork BS and reference checking. That is why they hire headhunters to do the initial screening. Anything beyond initial screening is done by HR. I have always seen this to be the case for large companies.
You think they are breaking the law and no one is calling them on it?
It is possible. Also, another practice I thought was weird is the fact that they WILL NOT HIRE you if you use tobacco. It doesnt matter if you decline healthcare. They will not hire you if you use tobacco. You are tested for it along with other drugs.
That kind of seems illegalish...haha
If they state it up front, it's not illegal. Maybe should be, but isn't. The right to interfere in the consumption habits of employees is something that the US allows. You can do the same thing with alcohol, or even chicken.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@JaredBusch said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I gave three weeks of notice for my last job and I trained my replacement for two months before and those three weeks. I was full in for three weeks (I know, it is an exception).
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
I've never had to deal with a global policy like that. There are probably some companies that try to put in something, but I don't know if that would stand up in court if it was just in the company policy that you sign and not the actual work contract.
My current company requires a month notice, I am told. I dont know how or where it is located in the contract, but the word around the office is that if you dont give the full month, they will mark do not rehire under name. Which means if a potential employer calls to confirm employment, you now have a do not hire mark by your name.
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
It's pretty illegal to state much else other than "yes that person worked here between datestamp and datestamp" if people call for a reference.
Pretty much. And normally you know if someone is calling about references. You don't want to be calling for references, have them check out, and then not hire someone. It's just asking for trouble.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I dont know what is true and exactly how they put it in the contract.
No need to as they can enforce however they like from a "marking not to rehire". They can't claim that you didn't give notice, or that you did anything wrong. Just "would you rehire" and that's meaningless and any even pretty shitty company knows that.
As long as you give two weeks notice, they would have to lie to say otherwise, which would get them in a lot of trouble.
Scott, I know you dont believe this, but .......
HR does these type of things in every medium or large company I have ever worked for... Every manager I have dealt with does not care enough to do all that HR paperwork BS and reference checking. That is why they hire headhunters to do the initial screening. Anything beyond initial screening is done by HR. I have always seen this to be the case for large companies.
You think they are breaking the law and no one is calling them on it?
It is possible. Also, another practice I thought was weird is the fact that they WILL NOT HIRE you if you use tobacco. It doesnt matter if you decline healthcare. They will not hire you if you use tobacco. You are tested for it along with other drugs.
That kind of seems illegalish...haha
If they state it up front, it's not illegal. Maybe should be, but isn't. The right to interfere in the consumption habits of employees is something that the US allows. You can do the same thing with alcohol, or even chicken.
hell, some employers won't cover healthcare for contraceptives... They can do anything they want, pretty much, as long as they tell you up front.
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Bad HR practices are a lot like pirating software. Everyone does it sometimes, and your internal employees all know that they can prove it and if you fire them that they could call someone and get you in big trouble.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Bad HR practices are a lot like pirating software. Everyone does it sometimes, and your internal employees all know that they can prove it and if you fire them that they could call someone and get you in big trouble.
I've considered calling in past employers for this same exact thing.
Especially when there are free alternatives and it's still decided to "just use the one that comes from <software company with really deep pockets and massive licensing and lawyer teams"
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@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
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@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yup, goes both ways. BUT, both parties are allowed to give a reference for the other saying "no notice given." One does it through reference calls, the other through places like Glassdoor.
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@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
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@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
That's not bad, it makes it clear that normal expectations are needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
That's not bad, it makes it clear that normal expectations are needed.
But why should there be such a expectation? Leaving a job is leaving a job, it's quitting. Just one is asking for 2 weeks worth of pay before you leave.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
That's not bad, it makes it clear that normal expectations are needed.
But why should there be such a expectation? Leaving a job is leaving a job, it's quitting. Just one is asking for 2 weeks worth of pay before you leave.
There is a certain about of "no one really wants you to simply not show up one morning." Having a standard that everyone accepts is almost always a good thing. Everyone has the same expectation and really, no one is screwed by two weeks of notice.
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But the point is if @WrCombs wanted to leave his s-hole job this minute. He could just get up and walk away.
Talk with no one, answer no calls and provide no nice documentation. It's a blunt but effective way of saying
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Very few positions are allowed to legally enforce a "exit announcement" at all, much less with any length of time attached to it.
Medicine is one. For Doctors, states can require as much as 30 day notice.
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@StorageNinja said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Very few positions are allowed to legally enforce a "exit announcement" at all, much less with any length of time attached to it.
Medicine is one. For Doctors, states can require as much as 30 day notice.
I did say "very few". See it right there in the part you quoted.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I don't believe this. Maybe 50%. I'm used as a reference for a lot of people, and almost never get calls. People ask for references way more than they call them. And even if they call them, they have to also then turn someone down based on the responses. If the response is "we had to fire them for legal reasons", sure. But if it is "they didn't give ENOUGH notice on a contract we won't show you", what buffoon is going to not hire you for that? No one with a functional company, that's for sure.
And that's still assuming that you can't get a single good reference. No one needs twenty of them, no one checks every job. It is SO easy to get good references, there is no real fear in getting stuck with a bad one.I was a manager for 8 employees and with churn had another 4-5 that would list me as a reference. I got calls on maybe 2 people ever. (Magnus and BizDPS). I prefer to leave a LinkedIn reference (A public one) when someone asks about it so they can point to that as an initial starting point. The biggest reference that matter is internal ones to the company you are going to (Like that one time I gave a reference at 3AM for John White lol). HR and managers trust people who know the companies expectations and culture.
