Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
This is such a pain! I didn't actually turn in a notice or set a last day, which I'm regretting now. But I'm a non-confrontational person. I just want them to be happy and I want to personally feel like I've done a professional job leaving documentation behind. I'm just trying to figure out a balance.
The more you try to do, the worse it will be. You are going to give them false hope and build up false expectations. The more you do, the more they will be upset.
I feel this already. We had an hour+ meeting the day after I had the first talk. All the crap they want from me, new formats, how they want it, in what order. I already felt the pain of this very thing. Now I know, whatever I document won't be good enough, where it's stored, how it's organized, will never be good enough because there will always be some aspect they don't understand, and if they don't understand it, it must be because I'm not doing good enough.
Turn over passwords and walk the fuck out tomorrow..
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
If the "pay reduction" is in writing I'd walk. They've fired you and are wanting you to work for peanuts.
This comment seems to be in relation to what I said about vacation and sick time. Those aren't a requirement where I live, they are a benefit offered by employer, they make the rules.
Technically they are not offered to part time employees, which I currently am. But they let it accumulate anyway, until now. So they just stopped accumulating.
I used to get a cell phone stipend which was kind of a retainer for "please check if we text you or call, just in case something crazy happens." They stopped that, presumably also because my hours are so reduced.
So did they "reduce my pay", well, kinda sorta. Officially their benefits were for full time, but they allowed it for me anyway, then stopped it. So kinda, kinda sorta, bending the rules, playing them a bit.
Dude - you were already reduced hours... This is change in your compensation - PERIOD. So they have declared a change - you need to tell them the change is fine and you are walking now.
Now - be nice if you want - ask them if they want to become a customer for $100/hr. Ultimately it should cost them less than keeping you on the payroll. They won't have to train someone new, etc.
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
This is such a pain! I didn't actually turn in a notice or set a last day, which I'm regretting now. But I'm a non-confrontational person. I just want them to be happy and I want to personally feel like I've done a professional job leaving documentation behind. I'm just trying to figure out a balance.
The more you try to do, the worse it will be. You are going to give them false hope and build up false expectations. The more you do, the more they will be upset.
I feel this already. We had an hour+ meeting the day after I had the first talk. All the crap they want from me, new formats, how they want it, in what order. I already felt the pain of this very thing. Now I know, whatever I document won't be good enough, where it's stored, how it's organized, will never be good enough because there will always be some aspect they don't understand, and if they don't understand it, it must be because I'm not doing good enough.
Right, they are setting you up with impossible expectations in order to have someone to blame. It's unfortunate that your honest attempt to help them triggered this. But it is what it is. You are now in a position where you either say "No one to train means I'm done in two weeks" or you are stuck, forever, while they take advantage of giving you impossible requirements.
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@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
If the "pay reduction" is in writing I'd walk. They've fired you and are wanting you to work for peanuts.
This comment seems to be in relation to what I said about vacation and sick time. Those aren't a requirement where I live, they are a benefit offered by employer, they make the rules.
Technically they are not offered to part time employees, which I currently am. But they let it accumulate anyway, until now. So they just stopped accumulating.
I used to get a cell phone stipend which was kind of a retainer for "please check if we text you or call, just in case something crazy happens." They stopped that, presumably also because my hours are so reduced.
So did they "reduce my pay", well, kinda sorta. Officially their benefits were for full time, but they allowed it for me anyway, then stopped it. So kinda, kinda sorta, bending the rules, playing them a bit.
Dude - you were already reduced hours... This is change in your compensation - PERIOD. So they have declared a change - you need to tell them the change is fine and you are walking now.
Or negotiate hard. Oh... you need me? NOW I'm valuable? NOW I don't get the same benefits? Okay, my hourly rate just went up 20%, take it or leave it.
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@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Now - be nice if you want - ask them if they want to become a customer for $100/hr. Ultimately it should cost them less than keeping you on the payroll. They won't have to train someone new, etc.
Right, you are an MSP. It's time for them to be a customer. If they don't want to be one, walk. If they do want to be one, you'll save them all this wasted time.
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And all I wanted to do was open up a conversation so they could start looking for a replacement. I wasn't expecting a circus.
I feel no obligations here, except to be honorable to my own words. I'd love to walk out tomorrow except that I did actually promise I would help the next person get situated.
When I first hired on, the previous person took emails from me for over 3 months as I sorted everything out.
All I wanted to do was offer training to the next IT person. Instead it became a cluster of training everybody here in the office who isn't IT, and writing user manuals for every website I have a password for. And writing down a layperson procedure book for every task I ever performed. And writing friggin mind maps to show how every service interconnects with every other service.
The only thing I feel obligation to is my own word that I wouldn't leave them high and dry. There are other people here that depend on their jobs for income, I just wanted a replacement in my seat to keep things going. And I certainly do NOT want 20 daily phone calls because I walked out and everybody has to call me to fix every little thing. I just wanted a replacement.
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I think that I will also experience some of this stuff when I finally leave my current job. I don't have enough time in the day to do everything I need to be doing. Documentation has definitely suffered. But, they could have solved this problem by not placing the Jr IT admin position on hold, forcing me to continue on by myself.
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
And all I wanted to do was open up a conversation so they could start looking for a replacement. I wasn't expecting a circus.
I feel no obligations here, except to be honorable to my own words. I'd love to walk out tomorrow except that I did actually promise I would help the next person get situated.
When I first hired on, the previous person took emails from me for over 3 months as I sorted everything out.
All I wanted to do was offer training to the next IT person. Instead it became a cluster of training everybody here in the office who isn't IT, and writing user manuals for every website I have a password for. And writing down a layperson procedure book for every task I ever performed. And writing friggin mind maps to show how every service interconnects with every other service.
The only thing I feel obligation to is my own word that I wouldn't leave them high and dry. There are other people here that depend on their jobs for income, I just wanted a replacement in my seat to keep things going. And I certainly do NOT want 20 daily phone calls because I walked out and everybody has to call me to fix every little thing. I just wanted a replacement.
I thought you said that they weren't looking to replace you. If they think that they are going to have random people following walk-throughs to replace you, you have no further obligation.
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
And all I wanted to do was open up a conversation so they could start looking for a replacement. I wasn't expecting a circus.
Yeah, that's really unfortunate.
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I feel no obligations here, except to be honorable to my own words. I'd love to walk out tomorrow except that I did actually promise I would help the next person get situated.
But they declined that person. Your obligation to what you said is met. It's completely done.
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@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
The only thing I feel obligation to is my own word that I wouldn't leave them high and dry.
And you aren't. They aren't high and dry. They can bring in an MSP tomorrow if they cared. No one is getting screwed because of you. Any issues that arise are because they wanted those issues.
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No idea why it doesn't have a thumbnail.
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Just for me? How sweet!
You have a way of thinking about these things.
Have to finish video later, I'm outta here for today.
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Been a long one, I'm sure. But hey, we sure got a lot of content out of discussing this one!
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Ya, it's been helpful to allow me to mentally disconnect from here.
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Good luck as you try to work through all of this.
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When you work long enough in the same place, you start to think that you are responsible for it all. You know management don't have a clue. It's your systems that you manage. It's your solutions they are using. In reality, it's not.
It's their systems and they gave you money in exchange for your time. You are even with your employer each time you get paid. They invested money, you invested a piece of your life. Time you will never get back. That is the deal.
You have no responsibility for anything, except to do your job while you are getting paid. That is what being an employee is - a trade.
This is the problem you are having. You are confused about what the deal is and what your part is. Not who said what or what is reasonable, legal or whatever. But it's normal. It's why a lot of people suffer from occupational burnout. Now you just have realize it.
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@JaredBusch said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
This is such a pain! I didn't actually turn in a notice or set a last day, which I'm regretting now. But I'm a non-confrontational person. I just want them to be happy and I want to personally feel like I've done a professional job leaving documentation behind. I'm just trying to figure out a balance.
The more you try to do, the worse it will be. You are going to give them false hope and build up false expectations. The more you do, the more they will be upset.
I feel this already. We had an hour+ meeting the day after I had the first talk. All the crap they want from me, new formats, how they want it, in what order. I already felt the pain of this very thing. Now I know, whatever I document won't be good enough, where it's stored, how it's organized, will never be good enough because there will always be some aspect they don't understand, and if they don't understand it, it must be because I'm not doing good enough.
Turn over passwords and walk the fuck out tomorrow..
This, you have no obligation to them. Not only that but they sound like they won't give you a good reference any way... So you really shouldn't give a shit at this point and just move on. If they want to retain you tell them what you charge customers... Plus an onboarding cost.
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@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I know a lot of responses here might be "just leave", but these things are easier said than done. I don't want their business to suffer, nor our relationship, nor my reference with them.
No, not really. They are equally easy because telling you to do it is literally as easy as you calling in and saying "Im' done, bye, don't ever call me again."
Literally, that easy. You don't want their business to suffer? Why not? You are describing how awful these people are, and you want them to stay in business? That's not right.
Why do you want a relationship with them at all? These are terrible people. You need them out of your life.
You don't want them as a reference. These aren't ethical people, you can't safely use them as a reference regardless. Walk away.
All of your reasons for staying are false ones, there is no reason to stay.
Indeed I am a bit confused as to why someone who admits to themselves before they quit that they already know it will be a disaster, and that they map out all of the ways the management is a huge pain in the ass... so what benefit is it to maintain a relationship? With people like this even if you leave 100% like they want you to or expect you to, they'll still trash you in references, it always happens.
It's not your business, and presumably not run by a family member, so who the hell cares? It's capitalism, if they can't run a business correctly then it's their fault, not yours to help prop them up.
Lots of lecturing about how she doesn't know what some vendor or another does, and IT people have "secret knowledge" that is complicated so laypersons can't understand it. She says all my notes "might make sense to an IT person, but it's not how my brain as a layperson understands it".
To top it all off, she won't read stuff that's too long. If I send emails that are too long or detailed, she refuses to even read them and then chides me. But if I write stuff that's too short, she complains it's not written for the layperson.
She sounds like she's either totally stupid or insane, or really trying to manipulate you into doing more work and demean your job, and that seems more likely based on everything. Don't bother helping this psycho, don't feel guilty, do as @JaredBusch said:
Turn over passwords and walk the fuck out tomorrow..
And @scottalanmiller basically said all that needs to be said on this, at this point I think we'd all be repeating each other and if you aren't listening to it then you need to really change that mindset or just do whatever they want since that's the mindset you clearly want to be in despite obviously knowing how terrible of an idea it is -- remember even you said that you knew beforehand that it would be a disaster, why in the holy hell would you give them such a long notice and why would you put up with any of this after they started increasing your workload and reducing benefits?
