Daisy Chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
It has a cost. because it is not his costs does not matter.
Right, since I vacation there, the cost goes in to rental fees going up, or the project just not getting started because they can't absorb the cost.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Mike,
I think this whole this is super confused right now.Why is there copper involved? All of this should be fiber.
Are these copper and fiber runs listed already in place ? Or are they being planned?
Start this whole thing over...
The only thing they have now is internet to the Main House (1). I thought copper would be less expensive than fiber since I would only need a $20 circuit protector on it, vs a switch with a SFP if fiber is run. Also with fiber, can't terminate it myself, so that would mean hiring that out, or ordering premade cables at the right lengths.
But you already are going to have to hire someone to terminate the 1 fiber cable for APs 10 and 11. Might as well just keep the tech around and have them terminate it all.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Mike,
I think this whole this is super confused right now.Why is there copper involved? All of this should be fiber.
Are these copper and fiber runs listed already in place ? Or are they being planned?
Start this whole thing over...
The only thing they have now is internet to the Main House (1). I thought copper would be less expensive than fiber since I would only need a $20 circuit protector on it, vs a switch with a SFP if fiber is run. Also with fiber, can't terminate it myself, so that would mean hiring that out, or ordering premade cables at the right lengths.
But copper is also going to be prone to more issues like interference.
But that is a cost versus cost versus risk that has to be assessed.
This entire thing needs stopped and taken back to basics.
- What is the goal
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Mike,
I think this whole this is super confused right now.Why is there copper involved? All of this should be fiber.
Are these copper and fiber runs listed already in place ? Or are they being planned?
Start this whole thing over...
The only thing they have now is internet to the Main House (1). I thought copper would be less expensive than fiber since I would only need a $20 circuit protector on it, vs a switch with a SFP if fiber is run. Also with fiber, can't terminate it myself, so that would mean hiring that out, or ordering premade cables at the right lengths.
But you already are going to have to hire someone to terminate the 1 fiber cable for APs 10 and 11. Might as well just keep the tech around and have them terminate it all.
not if I order a premade cable....
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
No it is not. That was never stated, nor even in the picture.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Mike,
I think this whole this is super confused right now.Why is there copper involved? All of this should be fiber.
Are these copper and fiber runs listed already in place ? Or are they being planned?
Start this whole thing over...
The only thing they have now is internet to the Main House (1). I thought copper would be less expensive than fiber since I would only need a $20 circuit protector on it, vs a switch with a SFP if fiber is run. Also with fiber, can't terminate it myself, so that would mean hiring that out, or ordering premade cables at the right lengths.
But you already are going to have to hire someone to terminate the 1 fiber cable for APs 10 and 11. Might as well just keep the tech around and have them terminate it all.
not if I order a premade cable....
Which adds costs since these likely aren't "standard lengths"
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
No it is not. That was never stated, nor even in the picture.
Yeah I know. . But it certainly looks like that based on the diagram.
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
coverage for every cabin. The row of cabins Pine Maple Spruce are so close that doing every other one should work.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
No it is not. That was never stated, nor even in the picture.
That's what I was thinking. Is the goal to have wireless access throughout the camp?
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@coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
That's what I was thinking. Is the goal to have wireless access throughout the camp?
just in the cottages. Not all over the grounds.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
That's what I was thinking. Is the goal to have wireless access throughout the camp?
just in the cottages. Not all over the grounds.
Got it.
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Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
coverage for every cabin. The row of cabins Pine Maple Spruce are so close that doing every other one should work.
Defined Goal: WiFi coverage for every cabin.
Things to determine:
What are the Cabins constructed from. This will seriously affect signal strength. You think you can skip putting an AP in each cabin because some are close? Are you sure signal will actually penetrate and be usable srtength? Are you sure the camper's cell phones will be able to reply through walls with usable strength?Then what are the real distances? This is not something that should be calculated on "feels like" or "should work".
What kind of weather does the area get? Storms are a safe bet for most regions of the US. Putting that much copper in the ground is certainly a risk. A single lightning strike in the area can easily take out everything.
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.
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Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
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@travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Not to mention many local ISPs will actually do the terminations for you for a reasonable price.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
Wasn't the objection to service the cabins, not the entire grounds?
Which I took as a means of forcing people to disconnect and enjoy their vacation.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.
