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    • Bill KindleB
      Bill Kindle
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      So I had to do an interesting assignment for my Anthropology course over the weekend, I was told to fill out a survey, and write about how it made me feel about Globalization.

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      • Bill KindleB
        Bill Kindle
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        The final question to this survey looked like this:
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        2014-07-13 21_26_46-Slavery Footprint - Survey.png

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        • Bill KindleB
          Bill Kindle
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          Why do I feel like I just took a survey that was meant to be an emotional appeal instead of a logic based assessment. I feel like I'm being led to an answer instead of being taught to think. It's stuff like this that makes me question why Bachelor Degree's are held in such high regard by some shops when you learn stuff like this......

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            Yeah, this totally undermines the supposed intention. Apparently the appeal against slavery is a scam.

            And why doesn't it say "have you ever paid for a movie or dinner when hoping to get sex? you are a slaver!!"

            It's trying to make everyone feel guilty for something we have no control over. Being alive does not make it your fault that people are enslaved. And are they enslaved? It seems unlikely if these are the tactics used to convince us that they are.

            Why not look from the other side. If you don't buy clothes made by these people, they will starve and die.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch
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              And as a side note' I read a very interesting article last week on the sex industry in Brazil due to the World Cup brining I more clientele. The whole lead in about force, fraud, and coercion becomes something much different when it is legal, and regulated and the workers have rights that are enforced by the police. Yes, there are ass hats that beat a woman or try not to pay. But they will be arrested if the woman brings it to the police.

              If I can find the link I'll share it.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
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                Funny, I was having a conversation about this type of slavery last week.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  Yes. It's interesting. If you don't make drugs illegal you make it possible to regulate and protect people. If you don't make prostitution illegal you eliminate pimps and slavery almost completely. It's problems with the law that great these ecosystems.

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                  • Bill KindleB
                    Bill Kindle @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    Yeah, this totally undermines the supposed intention. Apparently the appeal against slavery is a scam.

                    And why doesn't it say "have you ever paid for a movie or dinner when hoping to get sex? you are a slaver!!"

                    It's trying to make everyone feel guilty for something we have no control over. Being alive does not make it your fault that people are enslaved. And are they enslaved? It seems unlikely if these are the tactics used to convince us that they are.

                    Why not look from the other side. If you don't buy clothes made by these people, they will starve and die.

                    Exactly. I see this guilt complex so much in different "Causes" all the time, and it's bothersome, not because of the situation, but because someone/some group is actually doing the same thing they are protesting agains; exploitation.

                    I went on a tear in my response this week about this survey and "how I felt" about it. It was along the lines of "why do we always blame the corporation but never blame ourselves for enabling it in the first place by always seeking the cheapest price for everything?" I love the free market and believe it can uplift even the poorest economies, but their governments have to also ensure that their own people aren't getting the short end of the stick too. It's corruption that makes free market globalization a bad phrase.

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                      Carnival Boy @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      Yes. It's interesting. If you don't make drugs illegal you make it possible to regulate and protect people. If you don't make prostitution illegal you eliminate pimps and slavery almost completely. It's problems with the law that great these ecosystems.

                      If only it were that simple but prostitution is legal in Holland but they still have big problems with sex trafficking.

                      Taken to its logical extreme, would you legalise slavery in order to regulate and protect slaves?

                      There's no easy fix.

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                        Carnival Boy @Bill Kindle
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                        @Bill-Kindle said:

                        I love the free market and believe it can uplift even the poorest economies, but their governments have to also ensure that their own people aren't getting the short end of the stick too. It's corruption that makes free market globalization a bad phrase.

                        I love free markets as well. But we don't have free markets. Western governments must take some share of the blame. For example, US farm subsidies end up hurting 3rd world farmers who can't compete as the market is rigged not free.

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                        • MattKingM
                          MattKing
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                          I think exploitation is a human problem, not a national or geographical one and needs to be stopped at the UN level. Do I want basic human rights for people? Yes. Do I think supply chains will stop pinching pennies where it matters without top-down intervention? No.

                          Realistically, if we shut down FoxConn today what would happen?

                          ...stepping off the soap box...

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @Bill Kindle
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                            @Bill-Kindle said:

                            It's corruption that makes free market globalization a bad phrase.

                            Here Here

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                            • Bill KindleB
                              Bill Kindle @Carnival Boy
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                              @Carnival-Boy said:

                              @Bill-Kindle said:

                              I love the free market and believe it can uplift even the poorest economies, but their governments have to also ensure that their own people aren't getting the short end of the stick too. It's corruption that makes free market globalization a bad phrase.

                              I love free markets as well. But we don't have free markets. Western governments must take some share of the blame. For example, US farm subsidies end up hurting 3rd world farmers who can't compete as the market is rigged not free.

                              That is almost word for word what is in my $100 textbook.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                                @Carnival-Boy said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                Yes. It's interesting. If you don't make drugs illegal you make it possible to regulate and protect people. If you don't make prostitution illegal you eliminate pimps and slavery almost completely. It's problems with the law that great these ecosystems.

                                If only it were that simple but prostitution is legal in Holland but they still have big problems with sex trafficking.

                                Taken to its logical extreme, would you legalise slavery in order to regulate and protect slaves?

                                There's no easy fix.

                                But prostitution is a legitimate job option. Slavery is not. They still have problems but do they have as many?

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                                • Bill KindleB
                                  Bill Kindle
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                                  So I have another interesting bit that was also related to this assignment, and it had to do with the difference between manufacture and production. Apparently, anthropologists get to make up their own definitions that contradict the dictionary.

                                  "The question about manufacture versus production is accurate based on how anthropologist define and view the terms. You have to keep in mind that Webster's dictionary is a little different from the anthropological perspective. "

                                  So anthropologists can manufacture their own definitions and Merriam-Webster can shove it? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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                                  • nadnerBN
                                    nadnerB @Bill Kindle
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                                    @Bill-Kindle said:

                                    So anthropologists can manufacture their own definitions and Merriam-Webster can shove it? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                                    Academic people... <rolls eyes>

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                                      Carnival Boy @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      But prostitution is a legitimate job option. Slavery is not. They still have problems but do they have as many?

                                      Probably not. My point is legalisation only alleviates the problem, it doesn't solve it.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Bill Kindle
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                                        @Bill-Kindle said:

                                        So anthropologists can manufacture their own definitions and Merriam-Webster can shove it? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                                        A Webster dictionary, by definition, manufactures it's own stuff. That's its purpose. I avoid it because it's a bad resource. A "Webster's Dictionary" is literally a different thing than a traditional dictionary like the Oxford or Cambridge. Use those instead.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                                          @Carnival-Boy said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          But prostitution is a legitimate job option. Slavery is not. They still have problems but do they have as many?

                                          Probably not. My point is legalisation only alleviates the problem, it doesn't solve it.

                                          That makes sense. But reduction is a very important step. Especially when we don't know any other step to take.

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                                          • Bill KindleB
                                            Bill Kindle @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @Bill-Kindle said:

                                            So anthropologists can manufacture their own definitions and Merriam-Webster can shove it? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                                            A Webster dictionary, by definition, manufactures it's own stuff. That's its purpose. I avoid it because it's a bad resource. A "Webster's Dictionary" is literally a different thing than a traditional dictionary like the Oxford or Cambridge. Use those instead.

                                            Live and learn.

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