Limiting Bandwidth
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I'm glad it's not just me but this is why I ask. I already came to the correct conclusion for once. Thanks guys
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As Scott has said - you could put the limit in place that @momurda is talking about, but this means that the applications that are using all the bandwidth have to abide by the desire to lower transfer rate, and are able to send that request to the sender... not everything works correctly like that.
So if everything is working correctly like that, then yes, you could leave yourself with say 10 Mb of head room, and have rules that allow the VOIP traffic to use it (but would only matter outbound, likely where there is no real issue).
But if the apps causing the download don't slow down the downloads, then the pipe will still get crushed by incoming traffic and VOIP traffic will have a hard time/impossible time making it through to your firewall from the internet.
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@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
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@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
It's not me. My co-worker has a habit of doing things the wrong way and then telling me it's easier and that's why. Unfortunately the owners think everything he says is gospel.
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@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
It's not me. My co-worker has a habit of doing things the wrong way and then telling me it's easier and that's why. Unfortunately the owners think everything he says is gospel.
And that is why I will NEVER work for a non-profit or church (not even a side gig).
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@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
It's not me. My co-worker has a habit of doing things the wrong way and then telling me it's easier and that's why. Unfortunately the owners think everything he says is gospel.
And that is why I will NEVER work for a non-profit or church (not even a side gig).
I'm at an MSP so it's a lot worse than that
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@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Then they need to pay what it costs to get what they need.
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@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
Do they actually need it for some work related thing? If not, block that shit and put a no streaming policy in place. If they do actually need it, I have no idea how to solve the problem.
If they need it, then they need more than they are currently paying for. It's simple. Like any business, if you say that you "need" something that means you "have to pay for it." Some things are free, some are not. This is not. It's simple.
I "need" a car, but just because I can't afford one doesn't mean that I get one for free anyway.
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@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
What would be better is getting a second line just for the voice.
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@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
It's not me. My co-worker has a habit of doing things the wrong way and then telling me it's easier and that's why. Unfortunately the owners think everything he says is gospel.
Um, duh. Because the owner is the one benefiting most from overselling systems and breaking things to generate more work. of course he likes his ideas.
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@scottalanmiller said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
What would be better is getting a second line just for the voice.
Voice takes so little that it doesn't cost that much usually. I would go this route.
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@penguinwrangler said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@scottalanmiller said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
What would be better is getting a second line just for the voice.
Voice takes so little that it doesn't cost that much usually. I would go this route.
A second business line will still have a minimal cost, that could be like $80/m
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@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@penguinwrangler said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@scottalanmiller said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@dashrender said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@wirestyle22 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
@rojoloco said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't understand why "HEY USERS, STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ALL DAY!!!!" isn't the obvious solution here. Your coworker wants to use tech to solve a people issue. No video streaming = no more bandwidth issues.
I'm using youtube as an example, I have no idea what they are watching or on what platform. I just know it's not hosted by them and they access it over the WAN
His point was - when people complain (or logging servers send alerts about issues) you look at who and what is happening and tell those people to knock it off.
I have been told it's for business purposes. It's a foster care non-profit so i have no idea how or why, but let's assume they are right for now
Ouch. But since they are a non-profit, tell them to have fun calling up their ISP to ask for more bandwidth pro bono.
They are paying you to work there, right? Don't fall for their "can I get that for free" BS.
What would be better is getting a second line just for the voice.
Voice takes so little that it doesn't cost that much usually. I would go this route.
A second business line will still have a minimal cost, that could be like $80/m
I meant VOIP takes so little bandwidth. Sorry bad wording.
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Lol I'm always baffled at how seemingly straightforward threads can get you down a rabbit hole 66 posts later. Everything from "stop letting them have the internets" to get a new internet line for voice.
Is this not a simple solution of implementing QoS for VoIP at the firewall/router and moving on? That's every solution I've ever heard preached by @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch in regards to this issue. Then it doesn't matter if you have a 10Mbps connection or 1Gbps, it will never allow bandwidth usage to exceed what VoIP needs to ensure you always have a solid VoIP service. If it's not that simple, someone please straighten me out. I don't see why an extra internet line or VLANS are necessary.
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@zachary715 I stopped reading after a few posts because people that have no idea what they are talking about were posting.
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@zachary715 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
Is this not a simple solution of implementing QoS for VoIP at the firewall/router and moving on?
Unfortunately, no. QoS is outbound only, and the issue here is inbound. So QoS can't be used.
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@zachary715 said in Limiting Bandwidth (Help me name this thread):
I don't see why an extra internet line or VLANS are necessary.
Extra Internet line is the means of getting "QoS"-like features for inbound.
VLANs have nothing to do with the thing that they want to accomplish.
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If you are simply trying to limit bandwidth on incoming traffic to the WAN port, then you put an outbound limiter on the LAN port because inbound traffic to the WAN is going outbound on the LAN.
