Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
Because you want it to be, so you can justify drinking it.
Or vice versa, though. If you don't want to drink it, you can find a study that says it is not good. Goes both ways.
Except, that alcohol itself IS bad, in all amounts.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Problem is, that SO many studies contradict this. Which ones are the fads, which ones are real?
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/red-wine-good-or-bad#section4
Usually, that's how it works. Things say one thing, until it's debunked.
Not really, it's more that it's ALL fads and none of it is real science. We are told that GMO are healthy, then that they are dangerous, then that they are healthy. That butter is evil, then that it is good. That bread is bad, then good, then bad. It's all fads.
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@tim_g
That's a fact. I'd question all sources of any "study" saying alcohol itself (not what it's in) is good for you.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Because in the end: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-alcohol-damages-stem-cell-dna-and-increases-cancer-risk/ar-BBHQ0gM
That it has alcohol, and the fact that you get more benefits from other things instead... even alcohol free red wine exists.
But OTHER studies say that alcohol is good for you, even without the red wine.
Because you want it to be, so you can justify drinking it.
Or vice versa, though. If you don't want to drink it, you can find a study that says it is not good. Goes both ways.
Except, that alcohol itself IS bad, in all amounts.
Not according to MEDICAL sources. Only according to a singular GOVERNMENT source.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g
That's a fact. I'd question all sources of any "study" saying alcohol itself (not what it's in) is good for you.
But why? Why question only things that don't agree with your desired outcome? You say that I only want to believe studies that say what I want to hear, and then followed it with saying you'd question any study that doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
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In reality, we should question both.
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I think the best guide is... in cultures with moderate alcohol consumption, does it show to be a health risk?
The answer is no. Cultures that drink moderate amounts of non-grain alcohols have the best health track records within the culture groups. If alcohol itself is not safe in any quantity, they show that the degree to which it is unsafe is inconsequential compared to whatever factors are improving health coincidental with it.
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If science proved that alcohol alters your DNA...
Also, the government has a LOT to lose by saying alcohol is bad... think of all the tax money!
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For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
Also, the government has a LOT to lose by saying alcohol is bad... think of all the tax money!
And yet the US had prohibition and created the drug crisis - the desire to lose tax money in order to try to control the populace is a know problem in governments.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
I'd think logic says that the mindset of not drinking alcohol promotes better health habits.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
If science proved that alcohol alters your DNA...
One article that pretty much suggested that the problem was relegated to a specific SE Asian population lacking DNA protections.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
I'd think logic says that the mindset of not drinking alcohol promotes better health habits.
Logic might say that, but if that is the case (I don't agree) then it suggests that it is the alcohol itself creating the healthy benefits!
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
I'd think logic says that the mindset of not drinking alcohol promotes better health habits.
Logic might say that, but if that is the case (I don't agree) then it suggests that it is the alcohol itself creating the healthy benefits!
No, it's the awareness of alcohol being bad. Alcohol itself no. If you know it's bad, then you are more likely to be health conscious, as you are purposely taking steps to be healthier. Such as taking other steps or actions in addition to alcohol abstinence.
If you drink alcohol, you're more likely to care less about health... I can name so many examples.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
For example, drinking alcohol might be bad for you alone, but might encourage more social behaviour or happen coincidentally with more social behaviour, which might lead to better health. It's not the alcohol doing it, but the things associated with the alcohol like social or food choices might outweight the alcohol risks making it background noise.
I'd think logic says that the mindset of not drinking alcohol promotes better health habits.
Logic might say that, but if that is the case (I don't agree) then it suggests that it is the alcohol itself creating the healthy benefits!
No, it's the awareness of alcohol being bad. Alcohol itself no. If you know it's bad, then you are more likely to be health conscious, as you are purposely taking steps to be healthier. Such as taking other steps or actions in addition to alcohol abstinence.
If you drink alcohol, you're more likely to care less about health... I can name so many examples.
I feel like that's more an American concept. I think a lot of the healthy world, whether European or Asian or whatever, tend to spend less time worried about health options. Like in Italy, I never met people worried about getting healthy food, yet ate realy healthily all the time because their food options were good and their food traditions were insanely healthy compared to what we get in the US. but there weren't "organic sections" at the grocery stores, but all the food was super healthy.
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
That's quoting the same article, though. A better write up, but not an additional source.
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PopSci has some weird statements like this... "A single unit of alcohol a day (less than a half a glass of wine) was associated with the lowest risk of dementia, and other negative effects on health. But as Welch points out, contrary to some popular beliefs, the study indicated that those relatively safe sips of alcohol had no significant health benefits."
So, while alcohol is associated with the lowest risks, it has no significant benefits? Which is it? I consider being in the lowest risk pool for dementia a significant benefit, even if the authors of the article think that dementia is a trivial thing.
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And this... "Does this mean that anyone who has a few drinks a week is at risk for brain damage? Not necessarily."
Okay, so not all people are even at risk from alcohol. This means that according to this study, if you are in the right gene pool or whatever, it is completely safe at correct amounts - debunking the titles and claims they try to promote to get more views.
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This is better than red wine...
