Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/20/intel_flags_firmware_flaws/
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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025619/software.html
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@dbeato yeah! they used a forked version of minix! best in breed for security auditing
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This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.
If you see the link, it links also to Lenovo support for not real reason that I can see.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.
jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?
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@dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.
jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?
Why not both?
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.
jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?
Why not both?
Point.
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Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:
6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors Intel Xeon Scalable processors Intel Xeon W processors Intel Atom C3000 processors Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums Celeron N and J series processors
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Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
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@momurda said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:
6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors Intel Xeon Scalable processors Intel Xeon W processors Intel Atom C3000 processors Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums Celeron N and J series processorsYes, that is correct.
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@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
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@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
I was thinking more bold business moves. There are things they could do that would really help make that happen. It would take their leadership to act boldly and take risk.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.
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@travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.
For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.
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@momurda said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:
6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors Intel Xeon Scalable processors Intel Xeon W processors Intel Atom C3000 processors Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums Celeron N and J series processorshuh, I think that means less than half my machines are on that list.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.
For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.
exactly!
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@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.
For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.
Yeah, for some reason, I don't think we need those 64 core CPUs for a desktop!
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@travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.
AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.
Time to move everything to ARM.
This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.
No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!
The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.
For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.
Yeah, for some reason, I don't think we need those 64 core CPUs for a desktop!
It's octocore, 8GB machines.
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@scottalanmiller There are ARM servers that can do 240Gbps of network throughput for NFV. Don't think the mobile stuff is all that exists....
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ARM also attacking HPC.
https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Isam_bench1.png
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@storageninja said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
ARM also attacking HPC.
https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Isam_bench1.png
HPC is an awesome use for ARM. A big thing is getting the software companies to catch up.
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@storageninja said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
@scottalanmiller There are ARM servers that can do 240Gbps of network throughput for NFV. Don't think the mobile stuff is all that exists....
Right, like I keep saying, just need people to build desktops, don't need anything from ARM.
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Here is a program Intel put together to tell you if you are vulnerable to this and several other security flaws they have found.
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@dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:
Here is a program Intel put together to tell you if you are vulnerable to this and several other security flaws they have found.
But be warned, it's written by a company known to not understand security or be concerned about its customers. So...
