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    • dbeato
      dbeato last edited by dbeato

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/20/intel_flags_firmware_flaws/

      Tool
      https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025619/software.html

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      • matteo nunziati
        matteo nunziati @dbeato last edited by

        @dbeato yeah! they used a forked version of minix! best in breed for security auditing 😕

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        • scottalanmiller
          scottalanmiller last edited by

          This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

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          • dbeato
            dbeato @scottalanmiller last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

            This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

            If you see the link, it links also to Lenovo support for not real reason that I can see.

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            • Dashrender
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

              This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

              jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?

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              • scottalanmiller
                scottalanmiller @Dashrender last edited by

                @dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

                jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?

                Why not both?

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                • Dashrender
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                  @dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                  This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

                  jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?

                  Why not both?

                  Point.

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                  • momurda
                    momurda last edited by

                    Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:

                    6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors
                    Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors
                    Intel Xeon Scalable processors
                    Intel Xeon W processors
                    Intel Atom C3000 processors
                    Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series
                    Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums
                    Celeron N and J series processors
                    
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                    • scottalanmiller
                      scottalanmiller last edited by

                      Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

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                      • stacksofplates
                        stacksofplates @scottalanmiller last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                        Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                        AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

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                        • dbeato
                          dbeato @momurda last edited by

                          @momurda said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                          Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:

                          6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors
                          Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors
                          Intel Xeon Scalable processors
                          Intel Xeon W processors
                          Intel Atom C3000 processors
                          Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series
                          Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums
                          Celeron N and J series processors
                          

                          Yes, that is correct.

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                          • scottalanmiller
                            scottalanmiller @stacksofplates last edited by

                            @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                            AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                            Time to move everything to ARM.

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                            • PenguinWrangler
                              PenguinWrangler @scottalanmiller last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                              @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                              Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                              AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                              Time to move everything to ARM.

                              This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

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                              • scottalanmiller
                                scottalanmiller @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                                @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                Time to move everything to ARM.

                                This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

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                                • PenguinWrangler
                                  PenguinWrangler @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                  AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                  Time to move everything to ARM.

                                  This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                  No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                  I was thinking more bold business moves. There are things they could do that would really help make that happen. It would take their leadership to act boldly and take risk.

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                                  • travisdh1
                                    travisdh1 @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                    AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                    Time to move everything to ARM.

                                    This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                    No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                    The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

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                                    • scottalanmiller
                                      scottalanmiller @travisdh1 last edited by

                                      @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                      @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                      @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                      Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                      AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                      Time to move everything to ARM.

                                      This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                      No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                      The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                                      For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

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                                      • Dashrender
                                        Dashrender @momurda last edited by

                                        @momurda said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                        Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:

                                        6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors
                                        Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors
                                        Intel Xeon Scalable processors
                                        Intel Xeon W processors
                                        Intel Atom C3000 processors
                                        Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series
                                        Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums
                                        Celeron N and J series processors
                                        

                                        huh, I think that means less than half my machines are on that list.

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                                        • Dashrender
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                          AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                          Time to move everything to ARM.

                                          This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                          No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                          The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                                          For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

                                          exactly!

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                                          • travisdh1
                                            travisdh1 @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                            AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                            Time to move everything to ARM.

                                            This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                            No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                            The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                                            For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

                                            Yeah, for some reason, I don't think we need those 64 core CPUs for a desktop!

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