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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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      @dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

      @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

      This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

      jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?

      Why not both?

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

        @dashrender said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

        @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

        This REALLY shows why Intel doesn't know what they are doing or take security seriously. Putting a product that they trust so little that they are ashamed to disclose anything about it at the core of controlling their CPUs is just incompetent. It's widely been known to be a backdoor, this clinches that.

        jebus... is Intel that incompetent, or are they just in bed with the likes of the CIA and don't give a shit about users?

        Why not both?

        Point.

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        • momurdaM
          momurda
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          Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:

          6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors
Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors
Intel Xeon Scalable processors
Intel Xeon W processors
Intel Atom C3000 processors
Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series
Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums
Celeron N and J series processors
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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

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            • stacksofplatesS
              stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

              Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

              AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

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              • dbeatoD
                dbeato @momurda
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                @momurda said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:

                6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors
Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors
Intel Xeon Scalable processors
Intel Xeon W processors
Intel Atom C3000 processors
Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series
Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums
Celeron N and J series processors

                Yes, that is correct.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                  @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                  Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                  AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                  Time to move everything to ARM.

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                  • PenguinWranglerP
                    PenguinWrangler @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                    @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                    Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                    AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                    Time to move everything to ARM.

                    This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @PenguinWrangler
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                      @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                      @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                      Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                      AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                      Time to move everything to ARM.

                      This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                      No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

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                      • PenguinWranglerP
                        PenguinWrangler @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                        @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                        @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                        Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                        AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                        Time to move everything to ARM.

                        This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                        No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                        I was thinking more bold business moves. There are things they could do that would really help make that happen. It would take their leadership to act boldly and take risk.

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                        • travisdh1T
                          travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                          @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                          @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                          Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                          AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                          Time to move everything to ARM.

                          This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                          No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                          The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                            @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                            Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                            AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                            Time to move everything to ARM.

                            This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                            No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                            The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                            For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @momurda
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                              @momurda said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                              Isnt this 10s of millions of computers affected? I think just about every single pc and server on my network is on this list:

                              6th, 7th and 8th Generation Intel Core processors
Intel Xeon E3-1200 v5 and v6 processors
Intel Xeon Scalable processors
Intel Xeon W processors
Intel Atom C3000 processors
Apollo Lake Intel Atom E3900 series
Apollo Lake Intel Pentiums
Celeron N and J series processors

                              huh, I think that means less than half my machines are on that list.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                Time to move everything to ARM.

                                This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                                For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

                                exactly!

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                                • travisdh1T
                                  travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                  Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                  AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                  Time to move everything to ARM.

                                  This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                  No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                  The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                                  For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

                                  Yeah, for some reason, I don't think we need those 64 core CPUs for a desktop!

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                                    @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @penguinwrangler said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @stacksofplates said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                    Yeah, this is nearly everyone affected. Thank goodness for AMD and ARM.

                                    AMD isn’t much better. They have PSP which is just as dangerous.

                                    Time to move everything to ARM.

                                    This is ARM's time to make a bold move to capture a good part of the x86 server market.

                                    No bold move needed, just need people to start selling ARM desktops!!

                                    The ARM powered Chromebooks will take over... well, if I have my way anyway.

                                    For sure. We need slightly higher powered hardware that is similar for Linux desktops, too.

                                    Yeah, for some reason, I don't think we need those 64 core CPUs for a desktop!

                                    It's octocore, 8GB machines.

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                                      StorageNinja Vendor @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller There are ARM servers that can do 240Gbps of network throughput for NFV. Don't think the mobile stuff is all that exists....

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                                        StorageNinja Vendor @StorageNinja
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                                        @storageninja

                                        ARM also attacking HPC.

                                        https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Isam_bench1.png

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                                        • stacksofplatesS
                                          stacksofplates @StorageNinja
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                                          @storageninja said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                          @storageninja

                                          ARM also attacking HPC.

                                          https://3s81si1s5ygj3mzby34dq6qf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Isam_bench1.png

                                          HPC is an awesome use for ARM. A big thing is getting the software companies to catch up.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @StorageNinja
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                                            @storageninja said in Intel finds critical holes in secret Management Engine hidden in tons of desktop, server chipsets:

                                            @scottalanmiller There are ARM servers that can do 240Gbps of network throughput for NFV. Don't think the mobile stuff is all that exists....

                                            Right, like I keep saying, just need people to build desktops, don't need anything from ARM.

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