Pfsense



  • Hey I was thinking about using pfsense for my
    Router to connect to my cienna switch that Comcast provides for my fiber service they give me a wan and the a usable
    LAN

    Anyone have input about weather or not I am crazy for doing this



  • Personal or business?

    PFSense is a good solution, but what is the goal?



  • Itโ€™s businsss web hosting company



  • Simple answer is... pfSense is a great product that has no reason to exist. The same question will get asked every time - why would you look to build your own router when a better, enterprise class router with support is under $100?

    I know of no case today when any software router is a realistic option to consider.



  • @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    Itโ€™s businsss web hosting company

    Absolutely not then. I thought that this was for home, and even there it doesn't make sense. pfSense is not something you'd use in a business. Just get a Ubiquiti router.



  • Which one I have a /30



  • @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    Which one I have a /30

    Which Ubiquiti? The size of your network is not a factor in networking equipment. Even if you have a /23 (the smallest recommended these days) the smallest router can do the job.

    If you were able to use pfSense, then the smallest entry level Ubiquiti is more than enough. The EdgeRouter Lite (ER-L) is all that you need. You can find it generally from $65-$95 if you shop around. Avoid the cheaper ER-X, it's fine, but not generally what you'd want in a business.



  • Then a new router it is how do I program it. Is it hard



  • @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    Then a new router it is how do I program it. Is it hard

    No, it is VERY easy. Easier than installing pfSense, in fact.



  • Another vote for Ubiquiti. Nothing wrong with pfSense, but there isn't any need for the cost and complexity of building your own router. You can't get good router hardware to put it on easily.



  • Where is a good place to get Ubiquity products, Baltic?



  • @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    Where is a good place to get Ubiquity products, Baltic?

    Amazon ๐Ÿ™‚



  • @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    Where is a good place to get Ubiquity products, Baltic?

    I've heard several people say that they like Baltic.



  • Baltic is a little cheaper last time I checked, but it's been a while.



  • @reid-cooper said in Pfsense:

    @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    Where is a good place to get Ubiquity products, Baltic?

    I've heard several people say that they like Baltic.

    Ok cool, thanks!



  • @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    @reid-cooper said in Pfsense:

    @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    Where is a good place to get Ubiquity products, Baltic?

    I've heard several people say that they like Baltic.

    Ok cool, thanks!

    But you have shipping charges with them as they are a normal reseller.

    But for clients with terms, it is a much better solution than dealing with Amazon and credit cards. Pricing after shipping is typically very similar to Amazon.



  • Amazon is a pretty good place to buy it specially if you have prime. You will get products much faster than any Ubiquiti reseller.



  • Nearly everyone has Prime these days, and lots of people in big cities can get devices delivered in a few hours. Big selling point should you need a replacement.



  • @jaredbusch said in Pfsense:

    @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    @reid-cooper said in Pfsense:

    @jmoore said in Pfsense:

    Where is a good place to get Ubiquity products, Baltic?

    I've heard several people say that they like Baltic.

    Ok cool, thanks!

    But you have shipping charges with them as they are a normal reseller.

    But for clients with terms, it is a much better solution than dealing with Amazon and credit cards. Pricing after shipping is typically very similar to Amazon.

    Ok got it, thanks sir. Its for myself but will compare them and Amazon. For any clients I can see the advantage of what your saying.



  • @dbeato said in Pfsense:

    Amazon is a pretty good place to buy it specially if you have prime. You will get products much faster than any Ubiquiti reseller.

    @reid-cooper said in Pfsense:

    Nearly everyone has Prime these days, and lots of people in big cities can get devices delivered in a few hours. Big selling point should you need a replacement.

    I do have prime and its for home so will probably make sense to use Amazon



  • @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    a /23 (the smallest recommended these days)

    Really? I never heard of that.. Where is this recommended? (truly curious)



  • @dave247 said in Pfsense:

    @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    a /23 (the smallest recommended these days)

    Really? I never heard of that.. Where is this recommended? (truly curious)

    Pretty much anywhere itโ€™s discussed ๐Ÿ™‚

    Itโ€™s been the standard in the enterprise since the rise of switching.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    @dave247 said in Pfsense:

    @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    a /23 (the smallest recommended these days)

    Really? I never heard of that.. Where is this recommended? (truly curious)

    Pretty much anywhere itโ€™s discussed ๐Ÿ™‚

    Itโ€™s been the standard in the enterprise since the rise of switching.

    Right.. well I feel like you're from a different world or something as you're always saying things that seem very different than what's commonly heard of. That being said, we actually have a /23 network where I work but I've had numerous people comment on it as being a "weird setup". I just assumed they had little knowledge of networking and are used to the very common /24 setups on a lot of home routers and things.



  • @dave247 said in Pfsense:

    @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    @dave247 said in Pfsense:

    @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    @mroth911 said in Pfsense:

    a /23 (the smallest recommended these days)

    Really? I never heard of that.. Where is this recommended? (truly curious)

    Pretty much anywhere itโ€™s discussed ๐Ÿ™‚

    Itโ€™s been the standard in the enterprise since the rise of switching.

    Right.. well I feel like you're from a different world or something as you're always saying things that seem very different than what's commonly heard of. That being said, we actually have a /23 network where I work but I've had numerous people comment on it as being a "weird setup". I just assumed they had little knowledge of networking and are used to the very common /24 setups on a lot of home routers and things.

    I'd say that /23 and /22 are the norms for good networks. Smaller than that is super common - artefacts of the fact that almost all SMBs are totally out of touch and work off of myths and rumours instead of facts and research.

    Remember, in IT (and most things in life) if most people do it, it's probably not a good idea and something to avoid. Best practices and good rules of thumb are never things followed by the majority.



  • @dave247 said in Pfsense:

    Right.. well I feel like you're from a different world or something as you're always saying things that seem very different than what's commonly heard of.

    I like to think that this is because I'm competent and most people are not. I know that most people are not. That part isn't in question. The question is am I just random, or am I competent ๐Ÿ˜‰



  • My wife sent this to me an hour ago.

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    Fools seldom differ. When all you hear is one thing without good reasoning, assume it is fools not differing ๐Ÿ˜‰



  • I actually made a video on LAN sizes just the other day. I'm waiting on it to be edited.



  • A huge number of people think that /23 is weird because they don't realize that it is post 1993 and that class based networks haven't existed in 24 years. Their "what is normal" is based on 1970-1993 "standards" of class based networking and non-switched networks. The amount of insanely outdated information forming the foundation of myths like this are often totally crazy.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    A huge number of people think that /23 is weird because they don't realize that it is post 1993 and that class based networks haven't existed in 24 years. Their "what is normal" is based on 1970-1993 "standards" of class based networking and non-switched networks. The amount of insanely outdated information forming the foundation of myths like this are often totally crazy.

    So I've noticed. I spent a good deal of time studying subnetting (when I was trying to wrap my head around it) and now that I get it, I realize that a lot of people don't.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Pfsense:

    I actually made a video on LAN sizes just the other day. I'm waiting on it to be edited.

    I'm finally going through and watching all your videos. I'm also trying to read through all your posts on SMBjournal