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So with that news about XenServer what alternatives do we have for "production" work loads?

Go back to Esxi?
Or is KVM production ready (I've not even touched this yet, but plan to ASAP)

ESXi is the last choice. The short list remains KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. XenServer apparently collapsing doesn't impact the list.

scottalanmiller

@hobbit666 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

Or is KVM production ready (I've not even touched this yet, but plan to ASAP)

KVM is as production ready as it gets. It's what Amazon is turning to, to replace Xen. It's what we are talking on now. Now that Xen has lost the cloud battle, the entire production ready cloud world is on KVM. Every cloud that you've ever heard of is KVM today (except the one really crappy one that is on Hyper-V and it shows why KVM is more production ready.)

KVM is older than Hyper-V, it was production ready around the time Hyper-V was first announced. KVM has been in production since the mid-2000s. It's been in the mainline kernel for over a decade.

Obsolesce

I wouldn't consider ESXi -- paying for a hypervisor is dumb. It only makes sense to pay for VMWare in three scenarios:

You don't know anything about Virtualization, cannot support it, don't know what you are doing, don't have the time to support it, etc...
You have hundreds or thousands of hypervisors that you need expert support for around the clock and can afford to pay for that support.
You need a niche feature that only VMWare provides and are willing to pay tons of cash for it.

Obsolesce

Of KVM and Hyper-V... I'm really starting to lean away from it (Hyper-V). I'm getting tired of its crap.

I'm still using it in production because Hyper-V Replication is a need, which I'm working on accomplishing with KVM.

stacksofplates

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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html

As predicted, the product is dead.

It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.

That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.

Uh, you literally just removed features. How about just not removing them, then you don't need to add anything......

scottalanmiller

@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html

As predicted, the product is dead.

It seems alive if we pay for the standard or enterprise.

That's what I said... dead. Citrix doesn't believe in it anymore.

Uh, you literally just removed features. How about just not removing them, then you don't need to add anything......

They actually called it "continuing to invest" as they explain their devesting process.

DustinB3403

@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

https://xenserver.org/blog/entry/xenserver-7-3-changes-to-the-free-edition.html

As predicted, the product is dead.

That isn't even that big of a cost, granted free is great, but support is even better.

Obsolesce

They are just coming out with lies to keep the public hopeful and to keep themselves from going under too quickly.

scottalanmiller

@tim_g said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

They are just coming out with lies to keep the public hopeful and to keep themselves from going under too quickly.

Yeah, it's not even plausible excuses. Basically they know that if they say anything, no matter how ridiculous, their user base will use it to defend them and they can milk it for longer. But bottom line, it's been over for a while, and now it is just that much more obvious. But we were already predicting this decline.

The sad part is that XAPI seems to be going with them. But the question has long been... does anyone care about XAPI?

scotth

Crap,
My XenServer home lab is running nice. Looks like I have a New Year's project.

DustinB3403

@scotth said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

Crap,
My XenServer home lab is running nice. Looks like I have a New Year's project.

The options are KVM, Hyper-V or ESXi, and based on my experiences with KVM and their lack of hypervisor level backups leaves me greatly wanting.

scotth

I haven't really had time to check.
Can I easily move my VM's from XenServer to KVM?

Edit: If I use Veeam agent to create ISO's & backups, I should be ok. I'm guessing.

DustinB3403

@scotth said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

I haven't really had time to check.
Can I easily move my VM's from XenServer to KVM?

Edit: If I use Veeam agent to create ISO's & backups, I should be ok. I'm guessing.

I'll have to test this in my lab as well. Of course it means I'll have to tear down my lab to test.

scotth

@dustinb3403 I'm feelin your pain