If a business were all linux would they use Office 365
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Just a thought that popped into my head, was if a business from servers to laptops was running RHEL or CentOS for everything, would they opt to use Office365 for email collaboration and Office capabilities?
I know @scottalanmiller knows of businesses that are purely linux in every aspect. I'm just posting to post really, and this was something that came up as a discussion worth considering.
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Does exchange offer something so explicit that a business must use Office365?
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Skype for Business is one item, but calendar functionality is a universal service today isn't it? Which I know that to be the biggest complaint.
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Good question. I don't know what your options would be in a business environment. I know a lot of people run it on wine but I think there have been issues doing that as well.
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Is Calendar sync a universal service? Sure we have iCal - but damn the last time I used it it was a problem child and only one way syncing.
If you're all in on the Google environment (email/calendar/g-voice/hangouts/chat client of the week) You can probably be OK since Google has apps for all of these things for the two major mobile platforms, and syncing with them bidirectionally works.
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What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
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I look forward to reading the responses, as I'm curious as well.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Good question. I don't know what your options would be in a business environment. I know a lot of people run it on wine but I think there have been issues doing that as well.
You're conflating MS Office with Office 365 (the service). Nothing says you have to use the locally install Office with the service. The online version will, in reality, probably work for most users. This to me is the saving grace of SharePoint Online. That combined with Outlook on the Web, no local apps are often required. Of course in rare situations, you must have locally installed Outlook so you can run an add-on, but then the question is, will that add-in run in WINE?
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
I'm not sure what is best practice. I am making an assumption that WINE isn't to be used for business as I've seen a ton of issues related to it, but I really don't know.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Can't you only use cloud storage when you use it like that? I could be wrong but I remember a storage limitation like that.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
I'm not sure what is best practice. I am making an assumption that WINE isn't to be used for business as I've seen a ton of issues related to it, but I really don't know.
I also know of no business personally that is trying to run a Linux based OS as their sole desktop solution. But again, the online version of the MS Office Apps will serve most people.
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
I suppose that's true... but Microsoft Office =/= Office 365, nor do all the apps I listed above but I digress. What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
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Why does it have to be limited to Office / Office 365? There are a few things that I use/used that just don't work in Linux - Correctable? sure,.. but at the vendor level - They don't have a Linux version; MAC and Windows yes,.. Linux no.
While is case is Skype a MS product - the sub product is not; my Jabra headset - which I use daily to receive phone and skype calls.
Using it with the Yealink phone is no trouble. it's when I go to use Skype that I have the issue. I have to manually answer the Skype call, which means I have to be at the computer. And then I have to change the audio settings so the audio out uses the headset over the speakers - and when done, I have to reverse the process.
It's a simple solution - go back to Windows - and wait for Jabra to release a Linux version.
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So the topic specifically was using Office365 via web, not with the install-able option. Of course a business would be able to take that route, but is there a good reason to do so when Office365 does as good of a job as it does?
Would a business opt to use a different solution entirely?
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
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@dustinb3403 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
So the topic specifically was using Office365 via web, not with the install-able option. Of course a business would be able to take that route, but is there a good reason to do so when Office365 does as good of a job as it does?
Would a business opt to use a different solution entirely?
Very likely - as that has been the standard - to install the application on the local - in a LANless style system, they may not need / be able to.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
I suppose that's true... but Microsoft Office =/= Office 365, nor do all the apps I listed above but I digress. What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Well, unless they fixed the formatting issues they had in the past, a lot.
and you're right - MS Office != O365 (see my comment above to Wirestyle :P)
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
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@gjacobse said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Why does it have to be limited to Office / Office 365? There are a few things that I use/used that just don't work in Linux - Correctable? sure,.. but at the vendor level - They don't have a Linux version; MAC and Windows yes,.. Linux no.
While is case is Skype a MS product - the sub product is not; my Jabra headset - which I use daily to receive phone and skype calls.
Using it with the Yealink phone is no trouble. it's when I go to use Skype that I have the issue. I have to manually answer the Skype call, which means I have to be at the computer. And then I have to change the audio settings so the audio out uses the headset over the speakers - and when done, I have to reverse the process.
It's a simple solution - go back to Windows - and wait for Jabra to release a Linux version.
This is the biggest issue with moving any shop to a Linux OS - end user solutions.
Linux OSes have solutions for most anything in the DC, but end user - all those gadgets, mini apps, etc - they just aren't there for Linux OSes.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Can't you only use cloud storage when you use it like that? I could be wrong but I remember a storage limitation like that.
I'm not really sure what you're asking here.
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@gjacobse said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Why does it have to be limited to Office / Office 365? There are a few things that I use/used that just don't work in Linux - Correctable? sure,.. but at the vendor level - They don't have a Linux version; MAC and Windows yes,.. Linux no.
While is case is Skype a MS product - the sub product is not; my Jabra headset - which I use daily to receive phone and skype calls.
Using it with the Yealink phone is no trouble. it's when I go to use Skype that I have the issue. I have to manually answer the Skype call, which means I have to be at the computer. And then I have to change the audio settings so the audio out uses the headset over the speakers - and when done, I have to reverse the process.
It's a simple solution - go back to Windows - and wait for Jabra to release a Linux version.
This is the biggest issue with moving any shop to a Linux OS - end user solutions.
Linux OSes have solutions for most anything in the DC, but end user - all those gadgets, mini apps, etc - they just aren't there for Linux OSes.
No - they aren't.. but in some cases it's the reverse as well. They are in Linux but not Windows..
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Can't you only use cloud storage when you use it like that? I could be wrong but I remember a storage limitation like that.
I'm not really sure what you're asking here.
You can't point the online version to a local file server which complicates the end users lives from what I remember although I'm a little hazy on the details
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Can't you only use cloud storage when you use it like that? I could be wrong but I remember a storage limitation like that.
I'm not really sure what you're asking here.
You can't open a document stored on a local file share or your desktop inside the online version of Office. You have to upload it to SharePoint or ODfB first. But if you have O365, you can do this easily enough.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Can't you only use cloud storage when you use it like that? I could be wrong but I remember a storage limitation like that.
I'm not really sure what you're asking here.
You can't point the online version to a local file server which complicates the end users lives from what I remember although I'm a little hazy on the details
Still have no idea what you're talking about. Online version of what?
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Should but don't. We are forced to deal with the BS of our end users as we have no real power here. I'd imagine a lot of MSP's are in a similar situation.
