New Server for the office



  • @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    2.) if anything better than mikrotik has surfaced I'd be surprised, but open just for sake of conversation

    Check out Ubiquiti. I've never used Mikrotik so can't compare the two but I've used Ubiquiti a lot in the past and it is really solid equipment for a very inexpensive price.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    For such a small footprint you could get something from xByte (assuming they are allowed to sell/ship to your location) for well within that price range.

    Having a budget before really knowing what you need is a bit difficult though, as you may end up cutting corners. Or wasting money.

    I would say check out SuperMicro and xByte. They have loads of options available and the support to go along with it.



  • With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    I thought their base price was $23K. May be wrong though.



  • @coliver It might be more than 10K. I've never looked at their pricing.



  • @bigbear This is a VM host machine housing one domain controller and a file server only? Is the network gear you are referring to a UTM that charges you licensing fees etc?



  • @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    Budget is anywhere under $10k. Could also just go with a NAS if I try Azure AD out, just really can't decide who I want to use for hardware.

    A NAS, while a reasonable solution to a lot of use cases, is not in its self a solid solution. If you are going to be hosting services on site, such as file shares and AD services, you need at least 2 pieces of hardware.

    Production Server and Production backup target.

    The NAS almost always falls into the "backup target" category.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    Isn't there a used one for sale around here?



  • @StrongBad said in New Server for the office:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    Isn't there a used one for sale around here?

    Actually yes there is!

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/12990/used-scale-hc3-equipment-for-sale/1



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  • @coliver said in New Server for the office:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    I thought their base price was $23K. May be wrong though.

    They're offering single servers now, so I'd assume around 1/3 that price, $7700.

    I'd immediately check what @xByteSean has to offer.

    Lenovo is a never touch company now. In addition to all the lies around superfish, the BIOS level remote access bug was only ever fixed by a password change. So if you have a Lenovo on your network, you are no longer in control of said network.

    Mikrotik do make some good gear, but Ubiquiti has surpassed them in value.



  • @coliver said in New Server for the office:

    @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    2.) if anything better than mikrotik has surfaced I'd be surprised, but open just for sake of conversation

    Check out Ubiquiti. I've never used Mikrotik so can't compare the two but I've used Ubiquiti a lot in the past and it is really solid equipment for a very inexpensive price.

    Have used a lot of Ubiquiti over the years as a regional WISP. All new stuff is Mikrotek now.

    There really is no comparison on the router side, Microtik is incredible. They aren't big in the US. Their hardware is killer but you can download RouterOS and run it on a VM.

    You should check it out.



  • @wirestyle22 said in New Server for the office:

    @bigbear This is a VM host machine housing one domain controller and a file server only? Is the network gear you are referring to a UTM that charges you licensing fees etc?

    https://mikrotik.com/

    They blow everything else away. Best hardware, best software, no-BS licensing. 20 years hardened.

    I'm not close minded though, always looking. But for 3 years I have been a Microtik fanboy.


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    I have not looked at MicroTik in probably a decade



  • @travisdh1 said in New Server for the office:

    @coliver said in New Server for the office:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    I thought their base price was $23K. May be wrong though.

    They're offering single servers now, so I'd assume around 1/3 that price, $7700.

    I'd immediately check what @xByteSean has to offer.

    Lenovo is a never touch company now. In addition to all the lies around superfish, the BIOS level remote access bug was only ever fixed by a password change. So if you have a Lenovo on your network, you are no longer in control of said network.

    Mikrotik do make some good gear, but Ubiquiti has surpassed them in value.

    I never really trust them, lol. Early on I was an AS400 admin (oh 18 years ago) and I had always been drawn to IBM. So I gave them a shot.



  • I have a scale 3 node cluster for sale?



  • @JaredBusch said in New Server for the office:

    I have not looked at MicroTik in probably a decade

    They rely heavily on partners and I dont think there is any good marketing to the U.S. Since I have dealt with them they remind me of dealing with Ubiquiti or Ruckus in their earlier days. A lean/mean company that makes everything in house.

    RouterBoard hardware incredible, I dont know how they stay so far ahead with RouterOS thought.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    Its a very low i/o situation. Almost like 2.8TB of live archive file access and 200GB of moderately used data.

    Would like a single box solution. Was thinking just NAS with some cloud Azure AD would be sufficient.


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    @mroth911 said in New Server for the office:

    I have a scale 3 node cluster for sale?

    You don't sound very sure of it.



  • @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    Its a very low i/o situation. Almost like 2.8TB of live archive file access and 200GB of moderately used data.

    Would like a single box solution. Was thinking just NAS with some cloud Azure AD would be sufficient.

    And if that single box catches on fire?

    What is in place currently, nothing? What is running the business as a whole, that is now splitting?



  • @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Server for the office:

    With any solution you're going to want to virtualize. So be it Hyper-V, XenServer, ESXi or KVM. Installing anything besides a hypervisor to bare metal really needs a very specific reason. Which I don't think you have.

    You may be able to get something from @scale within that price range, but I honestly don't know.

    Its a very low i/o situation. Almost like 2.8TB of live archive file access and 200GB of moderately used data.

    Would like a single box solution. Was thinking just NAS with some cloud Azure AD would be sufficient.

    Yep, all hosted could be an option as well. I know prices for just storage have really dropped, transport is where a lot of cost is on cloud solutions.

    You've always got WholesaleInternet.com as well. Just went through a failing hard drive replacement on my box I have with them, and they were good through the entire process. No helping hand with figuring out what was wrong, but I didn't expect that either.



  • i have a scale 3 node cluster that I am selling. I am very sure of selling it . IT is about 5 months old.



  • @travisdh1 Discovering vultr.com has really blown everything else away for me.

    I have to have the data local because browsing all the huge files at a moments notice for a tower permit or a maritime deployment involves perusing 100gbs of data quickly at a moments notice.

    We have an oct192 here and it still isn't feasible lol



  • @mroth911 I was checking out the videos, I think its probably huge overkill for my needs but it looks interesting. I am shopping around right now at about $5k for what I think is going to suit me.

    I will definitely keep you in mind as I deal with a lot of IT people. What is the best application for a scale cluster?



  • @bigbear Sky is the limit with scale. Right now I am using it to host Websites. The hyper visor is insane and also up and running. there support is top notch as well.


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    @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    @JaredBusch said in New Server for the office:

    I have not looked at MicroTik in probably a decade

    They rely heavily on partners and I dont think there is any good marketing to the U.S. Since I have dealt with them they remind me of dealing with Ubiquiti or Ruckus in their earlier days. A lean/mean company that makes everything in house.

    RouterBoard hardware incredible, I dont know how they stay so far ahead with RouterOS thought.

    Oh I'm quite well aware of the brand it's just not not something I've considered for production for 10 years or so I should probably take another serious look at it


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    For your solution my question is why are you even looking at Azure AD?

    It sounds to me that you only need to file shares of some kind.



  • @bigbear said in New Server for the office:

    @mroth911 I was checking out the videos, I think its probably huge overkill for my needs but it looks interesting. I am shopping around right now at about $5k for what I think is going to suit me.

    I will definitely keep you in mind as I deal with a lot of IT people. What is the best application for a scale cluster?

    Scale clusters were designed with the idea of replacing VMWare clusters. They're even better if you're in a greenfield environment. A cluster gives you compute and storage, you just have to bring the network (10gb/s recommended for the cluster interconnects). I've seen live demos of the system and it's quite impressive.



  • @JaredBusch said in New Server for the office:

    For your solution my question is why are you even looking at Azure AD?

    It sounds to me that you only need to file shares of some kind.

    Yeah I think figuring out the best storage (some type of raid, a jbod, etc) is the big priority.

    The only reason I would want AD at this point is to manage/lock out new and departing employees. And there is going to big a bit of a shake up over the next few months. I don't really need to lock users down at this point, everyone is some sort of engineer or power user here.

    The idea of the basic/free AD and not managing a local DC appeals to me.

    I would also be looking to apply that directory service to the file shares.



  • @JaredBusch said in New Server for the office:

    Oh I'm quite well aware of the brand it's just not not something I've considered for production for 10 years or so I should probably take another serious look at it

    I know everything is preference. Ubiquiti has had some hiccups and I am also fond of peplink. With RouterOS it just seems like the sky is the limit and they have a lot of hardware options or you can run it yourself. For under $5000 you can get 24 million pps from their cloud router. We have a high bandwidth environment here so you can really tell the difference.


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