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@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
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@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
If it is a laptop, yes. Because if it is a laptop, it's function is to be portable. Otherwise, a desktop would have been better.
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@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@JaredBusch said in Remix OS Singularity:
Someone remind me to post details about how f***ing crazy people are in this thread
This is your reminder.
Remind me again later when I'm not driving thanks
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@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
But you're mixing up the use cases of the laptops. My laptop is portable enough for me. Me lugging 10 lbs, not a big deal.
If you're constantly moving around, you'd get a light weight performance laptop. Not a gaming rig on steroids (like me)
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@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
That's true (except for my gaming) - I could get by with a good phone. Memory is an issue, though. Phones have big CPU to small RAM ratios compared to my desktops, even my old one. Desktops lean towards big RAM and small CPU, which is what is useful for me.
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@JaredBusch said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@JaredBusch said in Remix OS Singularity:
Someone remind me to post details about how f***ing crazy people are in this thread
This is your reminder.
Remind me again later when I'm not driving thanks
Will do.
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To be really useful, I think that I'd need a phone with something like an NVidia X1 processor and 8GB of RAM. I don't need loads of CPU, but I do need RAM to keep loads of windows open and responsive. Not sure if phones are there yet. But in a few years they could easily be.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
That's true (except for my gaming) - I could get by with a good phone. Memory is an issue, though. Phones have big CPU to small RAM ratios compared to my desktops, even my old one. Desktops lean towards big RAM and small CPU, which is what is useful for me.
For WORK though... you could work from your phone if you had no other option... (JuiceSSH on android is great -- even from my phone!)... The reason for the laptop would be faster / more accurate typing and larger screen.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
That's true (except for my gaming) - I could get by with a good phone. Memory is an issue, though. Phones have big CPU to small RAM ratios compared to my desktops, even my old one. Desktops lean towards big RAM and small CPU, which is what is useful for me.
As the use cases continue to change, I'm sure we'll see more RAM appear in phones or whatever we end up calling the smaller portable computers...
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@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
That's true (except for my gaming) - I could get by with a good phone. Memory is an issue, though. Phones have big CPU to small RAM ratios compared to my desktops, even my old one. Desktops lean towards big RAM and small CPU, which is what is useful for me.
For WORK though... you could work from your phone if you had no other option... (JuiceSSH on android is great -- even from my phone!)... The reason for the laptop would be faster / more accurate typing and larger screen.
That wasn't my point - my point was simply about the amount of power that Scott needs is provided in a phone already - but he then pointed out that he needs more RAM.
In any case, the need/massive desire for a larger keyboard and display is there.
Damn we are down a weird rabbit hole.. time to eject.
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If I had a phone with 8GB of RAM and a nice desk setup, I could totally work from it. That part isn't bad. One of my biggest concerns personally would be battery management of a phone used that way. I'm very critical of battery management because of how I live so adding anything to my plate that takes away my ability to control that is a negative.
I'm trying to picture working in this way, though. I'm constantly grabbing my phone and doing things with it and leaving my desk. But I don't want my desktop stuff to be interrupted. Having those as separate functions seems useful. I realize that that's a power user thing, but that's important.
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I don't need gaming specs, my computer is used for work only, I have dual AOC monitors and like them more then using a laptop screen, I only use a laptop when visiting sites to setup routers etc.
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But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
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What I think is the real use case is not people at a desk, but casual users at home who get an adapter to plug into a television screen and use a wireless bluetooth keyboard and sit on the couch. It turns the TV into a low end computer without needing to buy new devices.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
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@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
Now there's an idea... but wait, isn't the TV already powerful enough to do these things?
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@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
But they don't work like a desktop, that's the whole point. Yes, my iPhone will connect to a keyboard and monitor, but it is still very much a phone interface.
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@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
Now there's an idea... but wait, isn't the TV already powerful enough to do these things?
Powerful enough, no. But could be for $20 more. The Smart TVs have only a fraction the computing power of a decent phone today. And they tend to age much faster (phones you update every two years, TVs every ten.)
And the issue here is that you want all kinds of devices (Smart TV, Dumb TV, Computer Monitor) from one device rather than making lots of quirky, unmanaged third party desktop environments.
What RemixOS is doing is making a good Android desktop (hopefully) which is what any TV would also need.
