Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update
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@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?
Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?
Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.
I wasn't talking about booting from the HD... I meant that it won't even let you boot from a recovery DVD or anything?
If not... then Yikes!
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@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?
Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.
wtf - that's horrendous
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@MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?
Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.
wtf - that's horrendous
Welcome to the world of UEFI and SecureBoot.
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All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.
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@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.
Exactly. In the process of trying to screw customers, they screwed customers more than intended.
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@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.
I fully await the future where this applies to other things, i.e., your Ford engine explodes because you put in Shell gasoline and not Ford-approved BP fuel.
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@ChrisL said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.
I fully await the future where this applies to other things, i.e., your Ford engine explodes because you put in Shell gasoline and not Ford-approved BP fuel.
Easily doable now, if the vehicle designers so desired.
All fuel comes up the pipelines in a standard clean form from the refiners to the regional terminals.
When the driver pulls up to the terminal to fill the tanker he punches in a set of codes saying that he needs 3000 gallons BP 87 octane in compartment 1 and 2000 gallons of BP 93 octane in compartment 2.
The system begins pumping in standard 87 and 93 octane as specified and then drops in the specified additives during loading. Those additives are what makes it "BP" fuel.
Those additives could easily be tracked by a sensor in the fuel system.
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@mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.
Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?
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@Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.
Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?
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@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.
There's a LOT more to it than that.
And while I'll gladly leave room for that being a major reason Secure Boot has been pushed - at least the given explanations that it's to help the system boot into a known good/clean mode (malware free), makes sense.
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@MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.
Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?
That sums it up. UEFI + SecureBoot does some truly evil things.
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@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.
Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?
That sums it up. UEFI + SecureBoot does some truly evil things.
"sums it up" in a nice and chewy light and fluffy 10k word saga
I regret being interested in it and I'm only half way through lol
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@MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.
Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?
Damn.. long but good read!
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so this was a feature improvement on Microsoft's part? -
so...just in case anyone still trusted Lenovo, they do this? :')
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@NattNatt said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
so...just in case anyone still trusted Lenovo, they do this? :')
Do we know who's at fault here?
Did MS do something wrong? or Did Lenovo do something wrong?
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@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?
Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.
I wasn't talking about booting from the HD... I meant that it won't even let you boot from a recovery DVD or anything?
If not... then Yikes!
So on this thinking, after reading the UEFI info linked above, I wonder if removing the current storage solution and booting from USB or DVD etc as suggested by @dafyre would allow them to update the UEFI, then plug the original storage solution back in and try again?
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@Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
@NattNatt said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:
so...just in case anyone still trusted Lenovo, they do this? :')
Do we know who's at fault here?
Did MS do something wrong? or Did Lenovo do something wrong?
Probably both. But only one of them chose hardware that would be at risk for this kind of thing.
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Ouch
