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  • @jt1001001 I don't think the solution is to hobble something together from parts, but to provide a simple to use and hands off solution. Excluding turning the TV on.

    Not that using this may work, no one wants something that looks and feels hobbled.



  • So @Mike-Davis have you made any separate considerations for this, is there a budget for this?


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    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.


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    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

    Your issues here are all the same.... started buying gear without any planning. The two pieces you need for this, the ONLY two pieces you need, are the right TVs and the right cameras. Neither of which have been planned correctly. So reading back, it sounds like the only goal was to move money somewhere, not to view videos. Why were televisions purchased without planning? What was their end goal?

    That you need things like servers is because of other problems.



  • @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

    Your issues here are all the same.... started buying gear without any planning. The two pieces you need for this, the ONLY two pieces you need, are the right TVs and the right cameras. Neither of which have been planned correctly. So reading back, it sounds like the only goal was to move money somewhere, not to view videos. Why were televisions purchased without planning? What was their end goal?

    That you need things like servers is because of other problems.

    LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.

    I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.


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    @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

    LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.

    Everyone, literally everyone knows that a failure to plan is a plan to fail.


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    Agreed. I'm waiting on the model numbers of the TVs. Even if they are Smart TVs, it doesn't look like I can use Ubiquiti cameras without a server.

    Can anyone recommend a camera that they know works in the browser of a TV?


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    @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

    I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

    Are you sure one does not equal the other? Spending someone elses' money without bothering to plan sure sounds like a description of malice.

    If your teenager took hundreds of dollars on your behalf and just bought "whatever" without checking what was needed, they'd be in trouble for that, right? Why? Because being a buyer on someone's behalf and not bothering to try to buy what was needed but just buying to buy is considered a bit malicious by normal people.



  • Really? Webcams and shit IP cameras? Do you want the old people at church to get a seizure from the 10fps and heart attacks from the configuration of the software? It's like none of you ever worked in AV.

    Simplicity is needed here. Turn it on, point and shoot.

    https://www.epiphan.com/products/pearl/

    Throw in a nice Canon camera, run some quick VGA and/or HDMI cables and you are good to go.

    Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?


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    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    Agreed. I'm waiting on the model numbers of the TVs. Even if they are Smart TVs, it doesn't look like I can use Ubiquiti cameras without a server.

    Correct, they are not the right gear for this situation. Those are security cameras that are part of an integrated security system. Not appropriate style for what is needed here.

    Axis would work, even 15 years ago, but it very high end and expensive.



  • @scottalanmiller It's a church, its just as likely someone donated the tvs to be used for that purpose.


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    @brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:

    @scottalanmiller It's a church, its just as likely someone donated the tvs to be used for that purpose.

    Well the description is that someone bought them. So if someone bought them just to donate them, sure. But seems unlikely. But it's a possibility.



  • @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

    Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

    I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.


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    @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

    LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.
    I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

    I just found out they didn't order the TVs yet. They thought they had been ordered but the donor didn't order them yet.

    Given that, how do I figure out which model of TV has a web browser will work with which camera?


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    @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

    Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

    I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

    Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.



  • @PSX_Defector said in analog video stream:

    Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?

    I want so badly to make snarky comments, but I will refrain....


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    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

    LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.
    I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

    I just found out they didn't order the TVs yet. They thought they had been ordered but the donor didn't order them yet.

    Given that, how do I figure out which model of TV has a web browser will work with which camera?

    Awesome!! This is so much better. Stop them and put this on hold till everything has been figured out.


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    @RojoLoco said in analog video stream:

    @PSX_Defector said in analog video stream:

    Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?

    I want so badly to make snarky comments, but I will refrain....

    Must. Not. Snark.

    😉



  • So here is what I propose you test. A laptop, an IP camera OBS Studio and IP Camera

    Add the camera as a source to OBS, and see how it operates. The software is free.

    It appears like it should work, but I don't have any ip camera's to test with here.



  • @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

    Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

    I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

    Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.

    Broadcasting on Youtube could bring in a whole new set of licensing issues for the music used during the service... just a thought.


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    Honestly, my first inkling, if this was my project, is to go the Roku route. Get cheap monitors, not televisions, and treat them as nothing but monitors. Use Rokus as the source devices so that you have control for the future. Those stick Rokus are dirt cheap. Yeah, it's "more pieces" but they are dirt cheap and you aren't stuck tying expensive monitors with cheap electronics that don't age equally,


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    @brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:

    @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

    @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

    @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

    The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

    Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

    I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

    Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.

    Broadcasting on Youtube could bring in a whole new set of licensing issues for the music used during the service... just a thought.

    Likely that licensing is either already handled or already a problem. But possibly there is a limit there. But can't you make YouTube private so the licensing would remain the same?



  • Do you want to deal with an external service? If not, you need to find a camera that outputs a signal that can be read by the TV's internal browser - No clue if there are websites with such research already done or not.

    Sounds like Scott knows of some cameras that can do this (I don't recall TV's coming with browsers 15 years ago though).



  • At my home church, they had a "broadcast" license for the music and such, so it wouldn't be an issue for our recordings to go up on vimeo...


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    @dafyre said in analog video stream:

    At my home church, they had a "broadcast" license for the music and such, so it wouldn't be an issue for our recordings to go up on vimeo...

    That's normally how it is handled, AFAIK.


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    @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

    Sounds like Scott knows of some cameras that can do this (I don't recall TV's coming with browsers 15 years ago though).

    But a camera that works with any browser was common even then.



  • @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

    @dafyre said in analog video stream:

    At my home church, they had a "broadcast" license for the music and such, so it wouldn't be an issue for our recordings to go up on vimeo...

    That's normally how it is handled, AFAIK.

    From when I worked for a church there was a pretty big price jump (from what I remember) from performing it live to broadcasting / podcasting the music used.



  • So this would be my test.

    Download IP Camera Adapter

    0_1479846365076_Configure_2016-11-22_15-25-58.png fill in appropriate details for the IP address of the camera.

    Add the camera source to OBS 0_1479846450471_obs32_2016-11-22_15-27-12.png

    And then setup a simple stream and see how it performs.

    This way, you only need smart TV's (or maybe a rokus and cheaper tv) and the camera.


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    @brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:

    @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

    @dafyre said in analog video stream:

    At my home church, they had a "broadcast" license for the music and such, so it wouldn't be an issue for our recordings to go up on vimeo...

    That's normally how it is handled, AFAIK.

    From when I worked for a church there was a pretty big price jump (from what I remember) from performing it live to broadcasting / podcasting the music used.

    Broadcast and podcast are very different. One is live, one is recorded.



  • I wish I had an IP camera here to test with personally, would be a fun test...

    The nice thing about this is you'd be able to use an under-utilized computer, an IP camera in the main area (with mic), and then the TV's in the other areas.