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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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      @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

      @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

      The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

      Your issues here are all the same.... started buying gear without any planning. The two pieces you need for this, the ONLY two pieces you need, are the right TVs and the right cameras. Neither of which have been planned correctly. So reading back, it sounds like the only goal was to move money somewhere, not to view videos. Why were televisions purchased without planning? What was their end goal?

      That you need things like servers is because of other problems.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
        last edited by

        @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

        @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

        @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

        The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

        Your issues here are all the same.... started buying gear without any planning. The two pieces you need for this, the ONLY two pieces you need, are the right TVs and the right cameras. Neither of which have been planned correctly. So reading back, it sounds like the only goal was to move money somewhere, not to view videos. Why were televisions purchased without planning? What was their end goal?

        That you need things like servers is because of other problems.

        LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.

        I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

          LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.

          Everyone, literally everyone knows that a failure to plan is a plan to fail.

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          • Mike DavisM
            Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            Agreed. I'm waiting on the model numbers of the TVs. Even if they are Smart TVs, it doesn't look like I can use Ubiquiti cameras without a server.

            Can anyone recommend a camera that they know works in the browser of a TV?

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by scottalanmiller

              @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

              I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

              Are you sure one does not equal the other? Spending someone elses' money without bothering to plan sure sounds like a description of malice.

              If your teenager took hundreds of dollars on your behalf and just bought "whatever" without checking what was needed, they'd be in trouble for that, right? Why? Because being a buyer on someone's behalf and not bothering to try to buy what was needed but just buying to buy is considered a bit malicious by normal people.

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              • PSX_DefectorP
                PSX_Defector
                last edited by

                Really? Webcams and shit IP cameras? Do you want the old people at church to get a seizure from the 10fps and heart attacks from the configuration of the software? It's like none of you ever worked in AV.

                Simplicity is needed here. Turn it on, point and shoot.

                https://www.epiphan.com/products/pearl/

                Throw in a nice Canon camera, run some quick VGA and/or HDMI cables and you are good to go.

                Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                  last edited by

                  @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                  Agreed. I'm waiting on the model numbers of the TVs. Even if they are Smart TVs, it doesn't look like I can use Ubiquiti cameras without a server.

                  Correct, they are not the right gear for this situation. Those are security cameras that are part of an integrated security system. Not appropriate style for what is needed here.

                  Axis would work, even 15 years ago, but it very high end and expensive.

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                  • brianlittlejohnB
                    brianlittlejohn @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller It's a church, its just as likely someone donated the tvs to be used for that purpose.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @brianlittlejohn
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                      @brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:

                      @scottalanmiller It's a church, its just as likely someone donated the tvs to be used for that purpose.

                      Well the description is that someone bought them. So if someone bought them just to donate them, sure. But seems unlikely. But it's a possibility.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @Mike Davis
                        last edited by

                        @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                        @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

                        The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

                        Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

                        I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

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                        • Mike DavisM
                          Mike Davis @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

                          LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.
                          I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

                          I just found out they didn't order the TVs yet. They thought they had been ordered but the donor didn't order them yet.

                          Given that, how do I figure out which model of TV has a web browser will work with which camera?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

                            @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                            @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

                            The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

                            Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

                            I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

                            Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.

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                            • RojoLocoR
                              RojoLoco @PSX_Defector
                              last edited by

                              @PSX_Defector said in analog video stream:

                              Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?

                              I want so badly to make snarky comments, but I will refrain....

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                                last edited by

                                @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                                @Dashrender said in analog video stream:

                                LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.
                                I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.

                                I just found out they didn't order the TVs yet. They thought they had been ordered but the donor didn't order them yet.

                                Given that, how do I figure out which model of TV has a web browser will work with which camera?

                                Awesome!! This is so much better. Stop them and put this on hold till everything has been figured out.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @RojoLoco
                                  last edited by

                                  @RojoLoco said in analog video stream:

                                  @PSX_Defector said in analog video stream:

                                  Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?

                                  I want so badly to make snarky comments, but I will refrain....

                                  Must. Not. Snark.

                                  😉

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    So here is what I propose you test. A laptop, an IP camera OBS Studio and IP Camera

                                    Add the camera as a source to OBS, and see how it operates. The software is free.

                                    It appears like it should work, but I don't have any ip camera's to test with here.

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                                    • brianlittlejohnB
                                      brianlittlejohn @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

                                      @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

                                      @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                                      @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

                                      The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

                                      Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

                                      I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

                                      Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.

                                      Broadcasting on Youtube could bring in a whole new set of licensing issues for the music used during the service... just a thought.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        Honestly, my first inkling, if this was my project, is to go the Roku route. Get cheap monitors, not televisions, and treat them as nothing but monitors. Use Rokus as the source devices so that you have control for the future. Those stick Rokus are dirt cheap. Yeah, it's "more pieces" but they are dirt cheap and you aren't stuck tying expensive monitors with cheap electronics that don't age equally,

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @brianlittlejohn
                                          last edited by

                                          @brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

                                          @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                                          @DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.

                                          The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.

                                          Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.

                                          I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.

                                          Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.

                                          Broadcasting on Youtube could bring in a whole new set of licensing issues for the music used during the service... just a thought.

                                          Likely that licensing is either already handled or already a problem. But possibly there is a limit there. But can't you make YouTube private so the licensing would remain the same?

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            Do you want to deal with an external service? If not, you need to find a camera that outputs a signal that can be read by the TV's internal browser - No clue if there are websites with such research already done or not.

                                            Sounds like Scott knows of some cameras that can do this (I don't recall TV's coming with browsers 15 years ago though).

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