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@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
Personally I'd recomend getting a used Sony FS100 or a Panasonic HMC150 used. connecting up HDMI out and sending that over a long HDMI or CAT6 to HDMI system to the TV.
Sadly, this is sounding like the simpliest solution at this time.
Its for a church so most likely all ran by volunteers, the simpler it is the better.
It's just that it's so limited - thinking in old terms. How many times have you solved a problem like this only to be asked to make a podcast out of the stream in the future - sure we can do that, we just have to throw away everything we already have and start over, because our analog system wasn't meant for that, or worse, trying to cobble together some solution that's a hack job.
I think Dash is right. I totally get the "keep it simple" point, but that's just setting yourself for being blamed for problems in a few days or years.
Why over complicate (and possibly overspend) on something for a situation that may or may not happen?
And it's not even an issue . @Jason already posted HDMI to Ethernet adapters.
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@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
Personally I'd recomend getting a used Sony FS100 or a Panasonic HMC150 used. connecting up HDMI out and sending that over a long HDMI or CAT6 to HDMI system to the TV.
Sadly, this is sounding like the simpliest solution at this time.
Its for a church so most likely all ran by volunteers, the simpler it is the better.
It's just that it's so limited - thinking in old terms. How many times have you solved a problem like this only to be asked to make a podcast out of the stream in the future - sure we can do that, we just have to throw away everything we already have and start over, because our analog system wasn't meant for that, or worse, trying to cobble together some solution that's a hack job.
I think Dash is right. I totally get the "keep it simple" point, but that's just setting yourself for being blamed for problems in a few days or years.
Why over complicate (and possibly overspend) on something for a situation that may or may not happen?
And herein lies the dilemma. Scott is often preaching for not spending for the future, unless that's a forgone conclusion in the very short term. So spending some money today on a fairly basic off the shelf video cameras from BB that output live streams to HDMI, connected to some extender boxes linked to by @Jason earlier, then connected to a TV vs buying a modern AV setup that allows for streaming.
Which way is better?
Personally I think it comes down to cost. If it costs $1000 to do the old school way, and $2000 to do it the modern way, I'd probably skip the modern way, and hopefully in 6 months to a year or more when they ask about modern addons like podcasting, you just start over and hopefully things will be cheaper.
But if we're talking about $500 for the old way and $700 for the modern way, then I'd go the modern way.
These numbers are only meaningful to me personally, not even my company, and especially not anyone else's.
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@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
Personally I'd recomend getting a used Sony FS100 or a Panasonic HMC150 used. connecting up HDMI out and sending that over a long HDMI or CAT6 to HDMI system to the TV.
Sadly, this is sounding like the simpliest solution at this time.
Its for a church so most likely all ran by volunteers, the simpler it is the better.
It's just that it's so limited - thinking in old terms. How many times have you solved a problem like this only to be asked to make a podcast out of the stream in the future - sure we can do that, we just have to throw away everything we already have and start over, because our analog system wasn't meant for that, or worse, trying to cobble together some solution that's a hack job.
I think Dash is right. I totally get the "keep it simple" point, but that's just setting yourself for being blamed for problems in a few days or years.
Why over complicate (and possibly overspend) on something for a situation that may or may not happen?
And herein lies the dilemma. Scott is often preaching for not spending for the future, unless that's a forgone conclusion in the very short term. So spending some money today on a fairly basic off the shelf video cameras from BB that output live streams to HDMI, connected to some extender boxes linked to by @Jason earlier, then connected to a TV vs buying a modern AV setup that allows for streaming.
Which way is better?
Personally I think it comes down to cost. If it costs $1000 to do the old school way, and $2000 to do it the modern way, I'd probably skip the modern way, and hopefully in 6 months to a year or more when they ask about modern addons like podcasting, you just start over and hopefully things will be cheaper.
But if we're talking about $500 for the old way and $700 for the modern way, then I'd go the modern way.
These numbers are only meaningful to me personally, not even my company, and especially not anyone else's.
Keep in mind that the "modern way" is decades old here. It's the old way by now.
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Keep in mind this is not the modern way. Any professional AV company suggesting a solution like Scotts should be fired immediately. It's so freaking oblivious he has no professional AV experience but keeps pretending like his is the expert on the matter. Dude get over it. This forum is official worse than Spiceworks. So many idiotic suggestions that are lower than consumer level.
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@Jason said in analog video stream:
Keep in mind this is not the modern way. Any professional AV company suggesting a solution like Scotts should be fired immediately. It's so freaking oblivious he has no professional AV experience but keeps pretending like his is the expert on the matter. Dude get over it. This forum is official worse than Spiceworks. So many idiotic suggestions that are lower than consumer level.
Really? Because companies like Adobe, Cisco and Citrix have GoTo Meeting, Webex, and whatever Adobe's presentation software is called now. The world has been moving in this direction, as far as live feeds, broadcasting, etc. And "it's so freaking oblivious" that you are actually the one who is demonstrating how oblivious you are. Spending more now to ensure you are ready for the future makes every sense. Implementing admittedly outdated systems because they are cheaper now is a, at best, short-term gain (because of cost-savings) with a long-term loss. Implement a modern system now and then you are ready for future adjustments/additions.
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@Jason said in analog video stream:
Keep in mind this is not the modern way. Any professional AV company suggesting a solution like Scotts should be fired immediately. It's so freaking oblivious he has no professional AV experience but keeps pretending like his is the expert on the matter. Dude get over it. This forum is official worse than Spiceworks. So many idiotic suggestions that are lower than consumer level.
Ah, but this isn't a professional AV situation, so what is the purpose of that comment? I think you've missed the boat. This is about getting a quick, easy and cheap feed from the sanctuary into two other rooms. If a professional AV company was involved, someone would have seriously missed the goals. So I take that as a compliment that I stayed focused to the goal and wasn't just showboating that I know AV. I'm trying to solve a business problem, but prove that I know AV club skills.
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You need to define a goal. At the start, you were looking for something that wouldn't grow, wasn't flexible and would just get the job done. We pointed out that for less money and less wiring you could do something simpler that was more flexible. Then it spiraled into a professional video production with high end cameras, mixing boards and all kinds of things. This isn't the conversation that we started with. So @Mike-Davis needs to define the goal and come back to this. It's gone down the rabbit hole and went from "what can we slap together" to "how can we be an enterprise production studio."
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@thanksajdotcom said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
Keep in mind this is not the modern way. Any professional AV company suggesting a solution like Scotts should be fired immediately. It's so freaking oblivious he has no professional AV experience but keeps pretending like his is the expert on the matter. Dude get over it. This forum is official worse than Spiceworks. So many idiotic suggestions that are lower than consumer level.
Really? Because companies like Adobe, Cisco and Citrix have GoTo Meeting, Webex, and whatever Adobe's presentation software is called now. The world has been moving in this direction, as far as live feeds, broadcasting, etc. And "it's so freaking oblivious" that you are actually the one who is demonstrating how oblivious you are. Spending more now to ensure you are ready for the future makes every sense. Implementing admittedly outdated systems because they are cheaper now is a, at best, short-term gain (because of cost-savings) with a long-term loss. Implement a modern system now and then you are ready for future adjustments/additions.
You mean meeting presentation software? yeah that has nothing to do with live broadcast.
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
Keep in mind this is not the modern way. Any professional AV company suggesting a solution like Scotts should be fired immediately. It's so freaking oblivious he has no professional AV experience but keeps pretending like his is the expert on the matter. Dude get over it. This forum is official worse than Spiceworks. So many idiotic suggestions that are lower than consumer level.
Ah, but this isn't a professional AV situation, so what is the purpose of that comment? I think you've missed the boat. This is about getting a quick, easy and cheap feed from the sanctuary into two other rooms. If a professional AV company was involved, someone would have seriously missed the goals. So I take that as a compliment that I stayed focused to the goal and wasn't just showboating that I know AV. I'm trying to solve a business problem, but prove that I know AV club skills.
Bahahahah. You people are insane.
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@Jason said in analog video stream:
You mean meeting presentation software? yeah that has nothing to do with live broadcast.
Right, neither does this thread
It's just two other rooms watching what is going on in the sanctuary. -
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
You mean meeting presentation software? yeah that has nothing to do with live broadcast.
Right, neither does this thread
It's just two other rooms watching what is going on in the sanctuary.Which is a broadcast feed but okay. Whatever you can't take sense into anyone here.
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@Jason said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
You mean meeting presentation software? yeah that has nothing to do with live broadcast.
Right, neither does this thread
It's just two other rooms watching what is going on in the sanctuary.Which is a broadcast feed but okay. Whatever you can't take sense into anyone here.
Well by that logic, meeting presentation is broadcast too. One presenter, multiple recipients. So it's all broadcast then.
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
You mean meeting presentation software? yeah that has nothing to do with live broadcast.
Right, neither does this thread
It's just two other rooms watching what is going on in the sanctuary.Which is a broadcast feed but okay. Whatever you can't take sense into anyone here.
Well by that logic, meeting presentation is broadcast too. One presenter, multiple recipients. So it's all broadcast then.
No, No it's not.
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That's actually a good point, a camera from a web presentation system would work great here if you wanted to put in a little effort. Does the church have a PBX? Just pump it through the PBX and those TVs can just be hooked to softphones.
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@Jason said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Jason said in analog video stream:
You mean meeting presentation software? yeah that has nothing to do with live broadcast.
Right, neither does this thread
It's just two other rooms watching what is going on in the sanctuary.Which is a broadcast feed but okay. Whatever you can't take sense into anyone here.
Well by that logic, meeting presentation is broadcast too. One presenter, multiple recipients. So it's all broadcast then.
No, No it's not.
Okay then, by all means, enlighten us.
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Ah too bad, Jason left the community before he could figure out the logic of his last post and explain. Now we'll never know why two screens showing video is definitely broadcast, but the same two screens showing the same video is obviously not broadcast and we are all idiots.
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Anywho, using a VoIP system could be a simple solution worth considering.
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I thought the OP wanted two cameras, each going to it's own screen?
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@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
I thought the OP wanted two cameras, each going to it's own screen?
OH, that I did not know. I thought it was one camera, two rooms.
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An internal VoIP system could work, but the system implemented, whatever it is needs to be a stone dead simple to use solution.(this is from private messages with Mike)
The goal is something simple that won't require Mike to be called every time the system is used
