What Are You Doing Right Now

tonyshowoff

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Wondering if I hate WordPress or I hate web developers with no idea. Maybe neither, maybe both, I don't know

Web developers tend to know how to do things, web designers tend to be utterly incompetent with programming and write terrible code regardless of how pretty their sites are, they also choose to use WordPress which is worthy of any hate you throw at it. There's also dumb web developers, but most of them just work for major corporations.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@StrongBad
Incomplete list in no special order

Wordpress:

If you update WordPress you risk breaking the site.

If you don't, you risk being hacked.

It is too big that the ecosystem is out of control.

Web developers with no idea:
4. They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)
5. The mess with DNS, really, why?
6. They choose poor plugins

About points 1 &2: Theory says WordPress is secure but plugins maybe not. So the problem is not WordPress and the solution is to choose good plugins. WordPress is so easy to use that point 3 is on spot. And then I fall on point 6 because everybody can be a WordPress developer/web master. Talk about Catch 22

Right now, I have a production web site down because the web developer insists on using a plugin that breaks the site. I already disabled the plugin twice.

Perhaps I am in the wrong industry, it is just that fell in love IT at first sight

I have never broken WP with updates.

Same here, they seem to be really good. Way, way better than, say, Windows. They "just work". I've been using WordPress for a really long time and support a lot of sites.

I hate WordPress but I've always praised both their reverse compatibility and their slow crawl toward proper design showing they at least, I think, have some understanding of how bad it is.

tonyshowoff

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)

This happens from time to time when some project I worked on is handed over to some new guy, they often are baffled by the concept of "I use SSH, I don't install anything on the server not needed, it's just Apache, PHP, and MySQL, and SSH" or whatever.

dave_c

@JaredBusch , @scottalanmiller
I have not been that lucky lately. Specially since I am upgrading from PHP 5.6 to 7.2, some plugins just break, although in most cases it is because the plugin is old and has not been updated by the developer.
Anyway, the current case is not a PHP upgrade

JaredBusch

On the train home. Made the 5:46 express by less than a minute.

dave_c

@tonyshowoff
You are right. I meant web designers

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@JaredBusch , @scottalanmiller
I have not been that lucky lately. Specially since I am upgrading from PHP 5.6 to 7.2, some plugins just break, although in most cases it is because the plugin is old and has not been updated by the developer.

Plugins breaking is not at all the same as WP breaking. Is WP breaking?

dave_c

@tonyshowoff
Absolutely. I am slowly "forcing" the move from cPanel to Linux without a control Panel. So far, the sites moved are working very well

dave_c

@scottalanmiller
How do you catalog this?

This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500

It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

JaredBusch

Spent a busy day digging deep into this Asterisk to FreePBX migration. Migrated all of the extensions. Total count 946 or something like that.

Setup 3 phones to test EPM. They have old Aastra 6737i phones. Mitel bought Aastra ages ago.

The entire thing has to be turned into a scripted process before I can even run a limited go live test.

The extensions were the easy part.

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Web developers with no idea:
4. They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)
5. The mess with DNS, really, why?
6. They choose poor plugins

Why are your web designers even being brought in under these conditions?

I'm not a fan of cPanel or its ilk, I think that this makes web sites harder to maintain.

Why are designers choosing plugins?

This sounds like deeper issues with letting the wrong people do the wrong tasks.

Your IT team needs to be managing the platform, you can't just throw IT tasks over to the art team and expect the artists to know what they are doing. If you treat WordPress like the enterprise application that it is, I think that you'll find none of these issues exists. If you treated anything in this way, desktops, servers, databases, etc. you'd have loads of issues from random non-IT people breaking things that they don't understand.

IT should be ...

Not allowed designers like this have any say in what goes on.
Maintaining the platforms properly themselves.

Problems can still arise, but the rarely do.

JaredBusch

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller
How do you catalog this?
This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500
It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

Plugin, not WP.

Yeah it means the site is down too, but the cause is not WP.

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller
How do you catalog this?
This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500
It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@tonyshowoff
Absolutely. I am slowly "forcing" the move from cPanel to Linux without a control Panel. So far, the sites moved are working very well

We did that, much improved. Faster site, lower cost, easier management. No idea why people want cPanel.

dave_c

@JaredBusch
Awesome, platform migration and 900+ extensions in that time!
My record is 500+ extensions from Asterisx to Yeastar

JaredBusch

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller
How do you catalog this?
This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500
It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin
That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

But I like to blame Windows....

scottalanmiller

@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller
How do you catalog this?
This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 500
It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin
That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.
But I like to blame Windows....

Me too.

Shakes fist at the window.

JaredBusch

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@JaredBusch
Awesome, platform migration and 900+ extensions in that time!
My record is 500+ extensions from Asterisx to Yeastar

Oh this will be March before I am done most likely. I just got serious today.

Yesterday was putting tools in places and comparing data.

StuartJordan

I'm not going to slag off Wordpress, I think it's good, you just need to make sure that you limit logins and keep it up to date. I use it myself and love what you can do with the platform.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller In my experience those who want cPanel, not those forced to install it by some jackass admin or something, tend to because they lack confidence and experience with configuration and management within the Unix world.