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    • tonyshowoffT
      tonyshowoff @dave_c
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      @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      Wondering if I hate WordPress or I hate web developers with no idea. Maybe neither, maybe both, I don't know

      Web developers tend to know how to do things, web designers tend to be utterly incompetent with programming and write terrible code regardless of how pretty their sites are, they also choose to use WordPress which is worthy of any hate you throw at it. There's also dumb web developers, but most of them just work for major corporations.

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      • tonyshowoffT
        tonyshowoff @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @StrongBad
        Incomplete list in no special order

        Wordpress:

        1. If you update WordPress you risk breaking the site.
        2. If you don't, you risk being hacked.
        3. It is too big that the ecosystem is out of control.

        Web developers with no idea:
        4. They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)
        5. The mess with DNS, really, why?
        6. They choose poor plugins

        About points 1 &2: Theory says WordPress is secure but plugins maybe not. So the problem is not WordPress and the solution is to choose good plugins. WordPress is so easy to use that point 3 is on spot. And then I fall on point 6 because everybody can be a WordPress developer/web master. Talk about Catch 22

        Right now, I have a production web site down because the web developer insists on using a plugin that breaks the site. I already disabled the plugin twice.

        Perhaps I am in the wrong industry, it is just that fell in love IT at first sight

        I have never broken WP with updates.

        Same here, they seem to be really good. Way, way better than, say, Windows. They "just work". I've been using WordPress for a really long time and support a lot of sites.

        I hate WordPress but I've always praised both their reverse compatibility and their slow crawl toward proper design showing they at least, I think, have some understanding of how bad it is.

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        • tonyshowoffT
          tonyshowoff @dave_c
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          @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          1. They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)

          This happens from time to time when some project I worked on is handed over to some new guy, they often are baffled by the concept of "I use SSH, I don't install anything on the server not needed, it's just Apache, PHP, and MySQL, and SSH" or whatever.

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            dave_c
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            @JaredBusch , @scottalanmiller
            I have not been that lucky lately. Specially since I am upgrading from PHP 5.6 to 7.2, some plugins just break, although in most cases it is because the plugin is old and has not been updated by the developer.
            Anyway, the current case is not a PHP upgrade

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch
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              On the train home. Made the 5:46 express by less than a minute.

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                dave_c @tonyshowoff
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                @tonyshowoff
                You are right. I meant web designers

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                  @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @JaredBusch , @scottalanmiller
                  I have not been that lucky lately. Specially since I am upgrading from PHP 5.6 to 7.2, some plugins just break, although in most cases it is because the plugin is old and has not been updated by the developer.

                  Plugins breaking is not at all the same as WP breaking. Is WP breaking?

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                    dave_c @tonyshowoff
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                    @tonyshowoff
                    Absolutely. I am slowly "forcing" the move from cPanel to Linux without a control Panel. So far, the sites moved are working very well

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                      dave_c @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller
                      How do you catalog this?

                      This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
                      HTTP ERROR 500
                      

                      It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
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                        Spent a busy day digging deep into this Asterisk to FreePBX migration. Migrated all of the extensions. Total count 946 or something like that.

                        Setup 3 phones to test EPM. They have old Aastra 6737i phones. Mitel bought Aastra ages ago.

                        The entire thing has to be turned into a scripted process before I can even run a limited go live test.

                        The extensions were the easy part.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                          @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          Web developers with no idea:
                          4. They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)
                          5. The mess with DNS, really, why?
                          6. They choose poor plugins

                          Why are your web designers even being brought in under these conditions?

                          I'm not a fan of cPanel or its ilk, I think that this makes web sites harder to maintain.

                          Why are designers choosing plugins?

                          This sounds like deeper issues with letting the wrong people do the wrong tasks.

                          Your IT team needs to be managing the platform, you can't just throw IT tasks over to the art team and expect the artists to know what they are doing. If you treat WordPress like the enterprise application that it is, I think that you'll find none of these issues exists. If you treated anything in this way, desktops, servers, databases, etc. you'd have loads of issues from random non-IT people breaking things that they don't understand.

                          IT should be ...

                          1. Not allowed designers like this have any say in what goes on.
                          2. Maintaining the platforms properly themselves.

                          Problems can still arise, but the rarely do.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @dave_c
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                            @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @scottalanmiller
                            How do you catalog this?

                            This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
                            HTTP ERROR 500
                            

                            It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

                            Plugin, not WP.

                            Yeah it means the site is down too, but the cause is not WP.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                              @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller
                              How do you catalog this?

                              This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
                              HTTP ERROR 500
                              

                              It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

                              That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                                @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @tonyshowoff
                                Absolutely. I am slowly "forcing" the move from cPanel to Linux without a control Panel. So far, the sites moved are working very well

                                We did that, much improved. Faster site, lower cost, easier management. No idea why people want cPanel.

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                                  dave_c @JaredBusch
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                                  @JaredBusch
                                  Awesome, platform migration and 900+ extensions in that time!
                                  My record is 500+ extensions from Asterisx to Yeastar

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @scottalanmiller
                                    How do you catalog this?

                                    This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
                                    HTTP ERROR 500
                                    

                                    It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

                                    That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

                                    But I like to blame Windows....

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                      @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller
                                      How do you catalog this?

                                      This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
                                      HTTP ERROR 500
                                      

                                      It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

                                      That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

                                      But I like to blame Windows....

                                      Me too.

                                      Shakes fist at the window.

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @dave_c
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                                        @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @JaredBusch
                                        Awesome, platform migration and 900+ extensions in that time!
                                        My record is 500+ extensions from Asterisx to Yeastar

                                        Oh this will be March before I am done most likely. I just got serious today.

                                        Yesterday was putting tools in places and comparing data.

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                                        • CloudKnightC
                                          CloudKnight
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                                          I'm not going to slag off Wordpress, I think it's good, you just need to make sure that you limit logins and keep it up to date. I use it myself and love what you can do with the platform.

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                                          • tonyshowoffT
                                            tonyshowoff @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller In my experience those who want cPanel, not those forced to install it by some jackass admin or something, tend to because they lack confidence and experience with configuration and management within the Unix world.

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