What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
When you see a price and it says unlimited (granted many don't anymore), you expect to be able to use as much as you want and the price will never change.
Sure, but you also expect the speed not to change. Changing the speed IS a cap as well. It changes the total amount that you CAN download in a month. One is not "more unlimited" than the other. Both are very much limited.
OK sure, so you're implying that there was a cap before, and simply because they now offer more speed, the cap itself hasn't been raised.. OK i can get that to a point - but again, why increase the speed if those old caps (old physical limitations) are a real limit?
Because speed and caps work differently. Are you equally happy with a shower than can drip all day long a with one that can clean you in five minutes twice a day?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why the push for caps now?
Because the speeds are higher now. You can't download very much on 20Mb/s. But fiber with 120Mb/s let's you pull a crap tonne of stuff in no time. Suddenly three streams of 4K video, Steam machines downloading 1TB game libraries.... you can eat up insane amounts of storage on the new connections that were unthinkable before.
When did storage come into this picture?
Since the beginning, it's the only thing we've been discussing.
We have? I understand that total throughput on a pipe's known size does present us with a storage value, but so what?
So... that's the discussion at hand.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Most people who are downloading aren't storing it, they are streaming it, then dumping it...
Which has no effect on how much you have downloaded. You started calling "total downloads" storage, now you are trying to define storage as not what you have downloaded. You are flip flopping on terms you introduced.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
so the storage aspect has little or no baring at all - unless the ISP is keeping copies of everything moving through their network for some predetermined amount of time for some reason we are unaware of?
We are talking about storage as a volume of download. What are YOU talking about?
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If they are charging you for bandwith usage I assume they are giving you an accurate way to monitor it...?
Not even close. When people are going over their usage caps with their modem unplugged, the meters they use can't be close to accurate. It's a recurring theme over at www.dslreports.com
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Tuesday morning and I'm already doing network engineering.
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@scottalanmiller
I think I know which network that's on... -
@FiyaFly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller
I think I know which network that's on...Tee hee
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@FiyaFly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller
I think I know which network that's on...ugh yup you do....
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If they are charging you for bandwith usage I assume they are giving you an accurate way to monitor it...?
Not even close. When people are going over their usage caps with their modem unplugged, the meters they use can't be close to accurate. It's a recurring theme over at www.dslreports.com
Right. That's why I can't see how this could be a thing
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Most people who are downloading aren't storing it, they are streaming it, then dumping it...
Which has no effect on how much you have downloaded. You started calling "total downloads" storage, now you are trying to define storage as not what you have downloaded. You are flip flopping on terms you introduced.
I did? Please quote it for me. I don't see myself flip flopping - I'm talking about bandwidth.
If my ISP sells me 20 Mbs for X, then 5 years later ups my connection to 100 Mbs and still lists it as unlimited, then I fully expect that I can now download 5 time as much as I could before.
Now if they say - hey, you can stay on your old 20 Mbs for price A, or move to 100 Mbs for price B.. .well then I have to decide what I want. (FYI, both are listed as unlimited).
I'm guessing that your family's connection is no longer listed as unlimited, it's now listed as 250 GB/month for X, and $10/50 GB above that... and while that sucks.. that's definitely fine for them to do... because it's not unlimited, and it's spelled out.
My question is though - WHY the need for the caps? other than to squeeze people for money money?
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If they are charging you for bandwith usage I assume they are giving you an accurate way to monitor it...?
Not even close. When people are going over their usage caps with their modem unplugged, the meters they use can't be close to accurate. It's a recurring theme over at www.dslreports.com
Right. That's why I can't see how this could be a thing
It's such a huge lawsuit just waiting to happen. I think they picked their target audience right tho, the people who can't afford the millions of dollars a suite costs.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
so the storage aspect has little or no baring at all - unless the ISP is keeping copies of everything moving through their network for some predetermined amount of time for some reason we are unaware of?
We are talking about storage as a volume of download. What are YOU talking about?
Storage in this use seems weird at best, completely confusing at worst.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Most people who are downloading aren't storing it, they are streaming it, then dumping it...
Which has no effect on how much you have downloaded. You started calling "total downloads" storage, now you are trying to define storage as not what you have downloaded. You are flip flopping on terms you introduced.
I did? Please quote it for me. I don't see myself flip flopping - I'm talking about bandwidth.
If my ISP sells me 20 Mbs for X, then 5 years later ups my connection to 100 Mbs and still lists it as unlimited, then I fully expect that I can now download 5 time as much as I could before.
Now if they say - hey, you can stay on your old 20 Mbs for price A, or move to 100 Mbs for price B.. .well then I have to decide what I want. (FYI, both are listed as unlimited).
I'm guessing that your family's connection is no longer listed as unlimited, it's now listed as 250 GB/month for X, and $10/50 GB above that... and while that sucks.. that's definitely fine for them to do... because it's not unlimited, and it's spelled out.
My question is though - WHY the need for the caps? other than to squeeze people for money money?
My two-cents: This is a way for them to market a lower price than competitors while also not losing any money in the process.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I did? Please quote it for me. I don't see myself flip flopping - I'm talking about bandwidth.
You are the first to use the term storage that I saw. We were discussing bandwidth and you referred to the total bandwidth usage as storage.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Most people who are downloading aren't storing it, they are streaming it, then dumping it...
Which has no effect on how much you have downloaded. You started calling "total downloads" storage, now you are trying to define storage as not what you have downloaded. You are flip flopping on terms you introduced.
I did? Please quote it for me. I don't see myself flip flopping - I'm talking about bandwidth.
If my ISP sells me 20 Mbs for X, then 5 years later ups my connection to 100 Mbs and still lists it as unlimited, then I fully expect that I can now download 5 time as much as I could before.
Now if they say - hey, you can stay on your old 20 Mbs for price A, or move to 100 Mbs for price B.. .well then I have to decide what I want. (FYI, both are listed as unlimited).
I'm guessing that your family's connection is no longer listed as unlimited, it's now listed as 250 GB/month for X, and $10/50 GB above that... and while that sucks.. that's definitely fine for them to do... because it's not unlimited, and it's spelled out.
My question is though - WHY the need for the caps? other than to squeeze people for money money?
My two-cents: This is a way for them to market a lower price than competitors while also not losing any money in the process.
Once one did it, they all had to because people look at the monthly price not the total cost.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
so the storage aspect has little or no baring at all - unless the ISP is keeping copies of everything moving through their network for some predetermined amount of time for some reason we are unaware of?
We are talking about storage as a volume of download. What are YOU talking about?
Storage in this use seems weird at best, completely confusing at worst.
That's why we weren't calling it that, only calling it bandwidth.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My question is though - WHY the need for the caps? other than to squeeze people for money money?
This seems a really silly question. Why charge people for Internet in the first place, other than to make money? Why be in business at all?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why the push for caps now?
Because the speeds are higher now. You can't download very much on 20Mb/s. But fiber with 120Mb/s let's you pull a crap tonne of stuff in no time. Suddenly three streams of 4K video, Steam machines downloading 1TB game libraries.... you can eat up insane amounts of storage on the new connections that were unthinkable before.
When did storage come into this picture?
Oh, I see, I referred to the amount of the pool as storage. Yes, I think it's an obvious use of the word. What do you call the "volume of downloads" if not storage? Bandwidth is not a possible term there. That it is not kept long term, but only stored in memory for a moment doesn't change that, to the network, it is stored.
Here Storage = volume of network traffic
Storage is a volume number. Bandwidth is an instantaneous rate.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My question is though - WHY the need for the caps? other than to squeeze people for money money?
This seems a really silly question. Why charge people for Internet in the first place, other than to make money? Why be in business at all?
LOL - of course, but we've seen a huge shift in the charge structure recently (the past few years).
