What Are You Doing Right Now
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I mean, you would cut the digital lines, but at the panel...
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
You can always use and ATA and keep a POTS phone in those locations.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
You can always use and ATA and keep a POTS phone in those locations.
Dang it... I mean "So why wouldn't you just pull a"
But yea
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
Did I miss something? Yes those are the ONLY ones I'd rip and replace. No point in replacing lines where there is ethernet nearby.
As for where are these that have no computer - phones that just hang on the wall. We have around 15 of them. Top that off with the fact that we migrated 90% of our users to laptops. If this hadn't been a remodel several years ago, we'd probably have no cabling in most places except what was needed for phones (though the wise thing back then would have been to install CAT5 or better - but not my project and am never asked).
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Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In my case, they looked at the risk/cost and decided that end user training and lack of a feature they used to keep them from moving away from Mitel.
Mitel is at least already VoIP though.
That brings up a whole other ball of wax.
If you have existing digital lines, you're likely going to have to rip them out and replace them with CAT 5e or 6.
That's my current issue.
You don't have computers in those locations already? How often do you have a phone without a computer?
In my case around 10%.
So why wouldn't you just a CAT5e or CAT6 to those locations, unless you are hard pressed to keep an analog line for fire / security / emergency reasons..
Did I miss something? Yes those are the ONLY ones I'd rip and replace. No point in replacing lines where there is ethernet nearby.
As for where are these that have no computer - phones that just hang on the wall. We have around 15 of them. Top that off with the fact that we migrated 90% of our users to laptops. If this hadn't been a remodel several years ago, we'd probably have no cabling in most places except what was needed for phones (though the wise thing back then would have been to install CAT5 or better - but not my project and am never asked).
My question is why not just have a cord pulled to that 10%. Running CAT5e isn't that expensive. You've said 15 spots, so you'd need maybe 20 additional drops.
What is the cost of getting those pulled, rather than trying to add hardware to convert the signal?
Where I'm at now, if I ever need a cable run it's $150/per.
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Also make sure they put in a pull string behind any new lines and leave them in the roof space.
This way if you ever need another line in the general area, you can just tie onto the pull string, and go.
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Running them isn't difficult either. You can run the cables, or do what i did which is to make friends with your building maintenance and ask them for help.
300+ runs and counting.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
yea I always tie the old drop to the new drop, makes it so much easier (unless they stapled them to the studs - mostly residential issues - special place in hell for those "helpful" people). If you cant pull through that way, get some string and tie it top and bottom. Make sure the string is 110-120% the length of the drop so that you have wiggle room and you now have an easy way to replace cables. I dont do this for cat drops, but when im running usb extensions inside of walls for touchscreen wall mounts, this is the way to go.
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@Brains said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
yea I always tie the old drop to the new drop, makes it so much easier (unless they stapled them to the studs - mostly residential issues - special place in hell for those "helpful" people). If you cant pull through that way, get some string and tie it top and bottom. Make sure the string is 110-120% the length of the drop so that you have wiggle room.
I've always wondered if anyone has rigged up some PVC piping in a clever way to make cable drops easier or something akin to it. Obviously when there is no sheetrock. I was thinking something you can adjust from outside of the wall to guide the cabling. Would be an interesting project but definitely not cost effective ^_^
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
Also, CAT3 is rated for fast ethernet (10/100).
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
Also, CAT3 is rated for fast ethernet (10/100).
Good point. Might just work.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Brains said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can you pull CAT5 with the existing CAT3? Often you can do that pretty easily.
This. You just tie the cat5 to the end of the cat3 and as you remove it you also pulling in a new cable. Half the work. EX girlfriends dad taught me that when I was younger (he was an electrician)
yea I always tie the old drop to the new drop, makes it so much easier (unless they stapled them to the studs - mostly residential issues - special place in hell for those "helpful" people). If you cant pull through that way, get some string and tie it top and bottom. Make sure the string is 110-120% the length of the drop so that you have wiggle room.
I've always wondered if anyone has rigged up some PVC piping in a clever way to make cable drops easier or something akin to it. Obviously when there is no sheetrock. I was thinking something you can adjust from outside of the wall to guide the cabling. Would be an interesting project but definitely not cost effective ^_^
Yea i love pipe drops. we have some here for the 2 story drops. the top of the pipe is above the wall plate in the drop ceiling
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At Waffle House. Kids requested it.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
At Waffle House. Kids requested it.
I love that All Star Breakfast. Really the best deal on the menu
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@Brains said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
At Waffle House. Kids requested it.
I love that All Star Breakfast. Really the best deal on the menu
$7 now. Not that great of a deal.
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Welp... hops didn't do well this year for a lot of local growers. We had an infestation of Japanese Beetles that ate the tops right off the plants. Hops are too bitter for most animals and insects... but these beetles didn't really care. That combined with the late training meant our harvest this year is much worse then then last years. Thankfully we didn't have any downy mildew like one of the other local growers.
So the next farm project, and not sure how far we're going to get, is marking and tapping the hundreds of sugar maples that are on the farm.
