Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
meh ....
What about, in terms of Quality Of Life ? Job Satisfaction ? Personal/Professional enrichment ?
btw, Quality of Life is not to be confused with Packet life or Quality of Service .. for all you "live IT" , dedicated , 24x7 available, type of IT guy ...
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
How can one expect to enjoy free time when the employer expects them to be on call 24/7??? Even at 42 hours a week, the expectation of 'round the clock availability kinda negates any off the clock planning. When do your employees get a break / vacation / whatever you want to call it?
Whenever they want. Just had one of our guys gone for 3 weeks to South Africa.
Unpaid? Lame. What if I wanted to take an impromptu weekend trip, guess that's out of the question since I'm on call 25/8. Plus, from reading your posts here, I already knew I'd never want to work for you.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
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@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
It's not wrong. Different jobs work for different people. I wouldn't do that either personally. I wouldn't judge someone for taking it either though.
EDIT: I stand corrected. I also made the assumption it was on call.
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@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
Who said it was on call? We set our schedules how we want.
My normal scheduled availability is 09:00 until about 11:30. I return to work around 14:00 and work until 18:00. But then I usually take an hour or so break in the middle of that afternoon when the kids come home. Every couple of nights there is typically a number of after hours work needed to fill in my average 42 hour week.
I usually end up not working much on either Thursdays or Fridays most weeks because I schedule windows server updates and reboots for the weekends. If I don't want to do it on a weekend, I will plan them ahead for evenings.
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
It's not wrong. Different jobs work for different people. I wouldn't do that either personally. I wouldn't judge someone for taking it either though.
It is called flexibility.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
It's not wrong. Different jobs work for different people. I wouldn't do that either personally. I wouldn't judge someone for taking it either though.
It is called flexibility.
I made an incorrect assumption.
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I would hire someone if they didnt have a home lab.
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Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
What about the increased costs of paying for health insurance, vision and dental though? I guess they are somewhat supplemented by that $1614, but that is a considerable amount of money.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
i'll take a $1600 hit for having my nights and weekends and not being on call 24/7
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
i'll take a $1600 hit for having my nights and weekends and not being on call 24/7
He's not on call. He explained that before. I made the same assumption.
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
i'll take a $1600 hit for having my nights and weekends and not being on call 24/7
He's not on call. He explained that before. I made the same assumption.
if you are working on weekends updating servers then you are on call (in my opinion). On call to me means you work when the client has time for you to work. IE you put your life on hold for the client.
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
What about the increased costs of paying for health insurance, vision and dental though? I guess they are somewhat supplemented by that $1614, but that is a considerable amount of money.
That is a different part of the equation. I was strictly comparing the difference in asking for PTO.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
i'll take a $1600 hit for having my nights and weekends and not being on call 24/7
He's not on call. He explained that before. I made the same assumption.
if you are working on weekends updating servers then you are on call (in my opinion). On call to me means you work when the client has time for you to work. IE you put your life on hold for the client.
On call to me is unscheduled work
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Regarding paid time off. I get $2/hour more for not having 80 hours of PTO.
If my rate was $30, then in a 2087 hour year I would earn $62,610 with $2,400 of that being the 80 hours of PTO. So that means I was paid $60,210 for the 2007 worked hours.
So making $2 more means a rate of $32 in a 2007 hour year (assuming unpaid 80 hours were taken) means I was paid $64,224.
That is $1,614 more than the full 2087 hour with PTO $30 wage.
i'll take a $1600 hit for having my nights and weekends and not being on call 24/7
He's not on call. He explained that before. I made the same assumption.
if you are working on weekends updating servers then you are on call (in my opinion). On call to me means you work when the client has time for you to work. IE you put your life on hold for the client.
On call to me is unscheduled work
http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/on-call-employees/
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@david.wiese Point being that @JaredBusch has a schedule. It just changes week to week. I don't know how much advanced notice he is given, but hypothetically it doesn't really have to interfere with his life that much.
