Is HR Really Blocking New Hire Processes?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
So how do US SMBs recruit?
Poorly.
Lots of word of mouth. Monster, of course, but very little of that. Direct application mostly.
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@coliver said:
The person doing the hiring mentions it to someone they are acquainted with who knows someone who is "good with computers".
I've had a bit of that but it is normally a waste of time. I have to explain to my acquaintance that just because their son lays cable for the phone company it doesn't mean they'd be a good fit for managing Microsoft servers. "Good with computers" is a very big field.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Direct application mostly.
Not sure what you mean by that?
Meaning the company has a way to apply to the job on their website and people put in their resumes directly to the company. The old fashioned way.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@coliver said:
The person doing the hiring mentions it to someone they are acquainted with who knows someone who is "good with computers".
I've had a bit of that but it is normally a waste of time. I have to explain to my acquaintance that just because their son lays cable for the phone company it doesn't mean they'd be a good fit for managing Microsoft servers. "Good with computers" is a very big field.
You'd be surprised how often people get hired like this here.
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@coliver said:
You'd be surprised how often people get hired like this here.
In the smallest companies this is just about the only process that is used. Or hoping that someone stops by and asks for a job.
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I'm after a generalist and they're quite difficult to recruit for (in my experience). I'm not sure how many SMBs run internal IT departments any more, but I haven't had great experiences with outsourcing so still prefer to do as much as possible in-house. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned like that?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I'm after a generalist and they're quite difficult to recruit for (in my experience). I'm not sure how many SMBs run internal IT departments any more, but I haven't had great experiences with outsourcing so still prefer to do as much as possible in-house. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned like that?
If you are doing in house, is that what I would call direct? Meaning, you take applications and look through them?
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When I say in-house I'm talking about employing someone at all, whereas a lot of SMBs would just employ an MSP or IT company to take care of all their IT needs. So I'm thinking a lot of SMBs simply don't recruit IT staff because they don't actually employ any, or many, IT staff.
In terms of direct recruiting, I would include posting an advert on Monster in that category. People then apply directly to us via the Monster add. We also place the advert on our website, but no-one can find it. It's not like we're a famous company that everyone is desperate to work for!
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@Carnival-Boy - Do you not tend to get swarmed with sales calls from recruiters who want you to sign up with them?
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I never answer my phone, so that's not a problem.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I never answer my phone, so that's not a problem.
That's my strategy with the phone.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
When I say in-house I'm talking about employing someone at all, whereas a lot of SMBs would just employ an MSP or IT company to take care of all their IT needs. So I'm thinking a lot of SMBs simply don't recruit IT staff because they don't actually employ any, or many, IT staff.
Oh, I see. Here in the US SMBs rarely outsource their main IT staff. They should, I feel, because that's how you fix so many things like hiring problems, but in the US they don't. They just have their nephew do it.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
In terms of direct recruiting, I would include posting an advert on Monster in that category. People then apply directly to us via the Monster add. We also place the advert on our website, but no-one can find it. It's not like we're a famous company that everyone is desperate to work for!
This is an issue in the US. It seems to be part of the culture of SMBs that they all feel that they are famous and that everyone should be so excited to work for "Bob's Taco Hut and Hardware Store" and don't want to hire anyone that isn't thrilled at fulfilling their IT destiny there.
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Oh there is some of that in the UK as well. Just not as rampant. We're a more down to earth bunch.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
In terms of direct recruiting, I would include posting an advert on Monster in that category. People then apply directly to us via the Monster add. We also place the advert on our website, but no-one can find it. It's not like we're a famous company that everyone is desperate to work for!
This is an issue in the US. It seems to be part of the culture of SMBs that they all feel that they are famous and that everyone should be so excited to work for "Bob's Taco Hut and Hardware Store" and don't want to hire anyone that isn't thrilled at fulfilling their IT destiny there.
Glad I'm not the only that sees this. Most SMBs (in the US) see themselves as the top of a career for anyone and everyone instead of a stepping stone in the career direction.
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@coliver said:
From my experience through word-of-mouth. The person doing the hiring mentions it to someone they are acquainted with who knows someone who is "good with computers".
I don't think I've ever gotten an IT job through word of mouth.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
In terms of direct recruiting, I would include posting an advert on Monster in that category. People then apply directly to us via the Monster add. We also place the advert on our website, but no-one can find it. It's not like we're a famous company that everyone is desperate to work for!
This is an issue in the US. It seems to be part of the culture of SMBs that they all feel that they are famous and that everyone should be so excited to work for "Bob's Taco Hut and Hardware Store" and don't want to hire anyone that isn't thrilled at fulfilling their IT destiny there.
Glad I'm not the only that sees this. Most SMBs (in the US) see themselves as the top of a career for anyone and everyone instead of a stepping stone in the career direction.
I'm not sure I agree with this thinking. SMBs are often run by a single person or small group, so they have a lot more riding on this company than some large corporation. Also, turn over for SMBs is probably worse for them than for corps. I don't think most of them see themselves as the ending point, but they definitely want to have as little turn over as possible.
This is probably why most SMBs should look at hiring a MSP instead of having a local IT person, even if it's more expensive.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
From my experience through word-of-mouth. The person doing the hiring mentions it to someone they are acquainted with who knows someone who is "good with computers".
I don't think I've ever gotten an IT job through word of mouth.
Most of my friends have gotten their jobs through word of mouth. When I moved into consulting originally it was through word of mouth.
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@coliver said:
Glad I'm not the only that sees this. Most SMBs (in the US) see themselves as the top of a career for anyone and everyone instead of a stepping stone in the career direction.
Yeah really. Makes no sense They all think they are the best of the best when they aren't and expect you to retire their if you take a job with them.
