CloudatCost First Impressions

scottalanmiller

My username and password that works for the console side of C@C does not work for members.cloudatcost.com

Anyone else have this problem?

Console side? Do you mean your root login?

scottalanmiller

@PSX_Defector said:

@scottalanmiller said:

The biggest factor here is that CloudatCost comes with console access!!

With the generous bandwidth package, that makes this a perfect platform for an SSH proxy.

Was gonna need one soon, but that ship is sailing away on a course to oblivion. Eh, at least I can have a nice little repository, PHP platform, or other things to get me up to speed.

That's the first thing that we built to test the platform. The Jump Station (aka SSH Proxy) was the first thing in.

JaredBusch

These are not CentOS minimal installs this makes me sad.

I am very much in the camp that all installs should start as minimal and server ops should be forced to add the things they need.

scottalanmiller

@JaredBusch said:

These are not CentOS minimal installs this makes me sad.

I am very much in the camp that all installs should start as minimal and server ops should be forced to add the things they need.

Agreed, but this is our chance to give that feedback and maybe get that changed.

Having currently Ubuntu (14.10) would be good too.

JaredBusch

@scottalanmiller I have my dev2 system purchased. it is now in process of installing the Incredible PBX for Asterisk-GUI setup from the PBX in a flash crew. I want to see what this looks like compared to the FreePBX GUI. Been a LONG ass time since I tinkered with what this new one is based off of.

coliver

@JaredBusch said:

These are not CentOS minimal installs this makes me sad.

This would have been great.

JaredBusch

@AmanBhogal take note of the above.

Your CentOS install options are GREAT.

But they are inherently flawed because I want a system as locked down as possible. that means I need as few packages installed as possible.

In order to do that, i NEED to start from the "minimal" install option.

Yeah having one with a LAMP stack is nice as an option. If I was going to spin up a web server I would use it in a heartbeat.

AmanBhogal

@JaredBusch
Hi Jared,
Just spoke with the team here.
When selecting packages for CentOS if you choose any of the CentOS-XX-32/64 bit it should be a minimal install.

for example: CentOS-7-64bit.
LAMP is selected only by choosing that OS out of the drop down.

JaredBusch

@AmanBhogal I will go spin up a 6.5 install later and verify my memory, but things like wget are not in a minimal install to the best of my recollection. I know for a fact that it is not in CentOS7. but as I was spinning this system up as CentOS 6.5 to test a PBX install, i did not choose that option.

i did not check for any other packages, just that one that I am used to having to install on my CentOS7 VM's.

AmanBhogal

@JaredBusch

Awesome!
Let me know your results. I can take them back to the team.
We listen to our customers and are constantly improving our product offerings

thanksajdotcom

@scottalanmiller said:

@JaredBusch said:

These are not CentOS minimal installs this makes me sad.

I am very much in the camp that all installs should start as minimal and server ops should be forced to add the things they need.

Agreed, but this is our chance to give that feedback and maybe get that changed.

Having currently Ubuntu (14.10) would be good too.

They will likely stick with the LTS build of 14.04 if I had to guess...

JaredBusch

@AmanBhogal said:

@JaredBusch

Awesome!
Let me know your results. I can take them back to the team.
We listen to our customers and are constantly improving our product offerings

I wiped my install and told it to install CentOS7. This is most certainly not an minimal install

not minimal

I just installed CentOS 7 minimal on my Hyper-V server.
minimal

wget is NOT installed.
no wget

JaredBusch

@AmanBhogal Your team told you wrong.
Yes, it is only WGET, but what else is already on there?
If you want to be my go to provider, I have to trust you.

Now, I realize that you did not advertise (anywhere) that this was a minimal install. I was simply stating in the earlier post that I wish it would have been one.

JaredBusch

Ok, just compared the yum -y upgrade results. yes, the only thing different there is wget.

Great. but it is still not minimal. Certainly not something to turn me off to the service though.

cossed eyed

AmanBhogal

@JaredBusch
Hi Jared,
WGET is required for the automation.. It is the only thing that we add as it is required for the scripts that do the automated provisioning of the servers.

JaredBusch

@AmanBhogal said:

@JaredBusch
Hi Jared,
WGET is required for the automation.. It is the only thing that we add as it is required for the scripts that do the automated provisioning of the servers.

Great! I think you should clarify the install type someplace on the provisioning page. Maybe a mouse over or something.

scottalanmiller

@JaredBusch said:

@AmanBhogal said:

@JaredBusch
Hi Jared,
WGET is required for the automation.. It is the only thing that we add as it is required for the scripts that do the automated provisioning of the servers.

Great! I think you should clarify the install type someplace on the provisioning page. Maybe a mouse over or something.

That's a good idea.

scottalanmiller

CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.

https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion