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    • CCWTechC
      CCWTech @dafyre
      last edited by

      @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

      I don't think you should care, really -- as long as your stuff is working how you want it to.

      I prefer X11 still because of support for things like VNC and such. When Wayland gets that ironed out good, I may consider switching again.

      Kinda what I was thinking but my OCD makes me think of it as 'broken'... LOL. Thanks!

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre @CCWTech
        last edited by

        @CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

        @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

        I don't think you should care, really -- as long as your stuff is working how you want it to.

        I prefer X11 still because of support for things like VNC and such. When Wayland gets that ironed out good, I may consider switching again.

        Kinda what I was thinking but my OCD makes me think of it as 'broken'... LOL. Thanks!

        If I'm honest, that's the way I feel about Wayland. It's new, it's exciting, but one of the main things I've come to expect from any computing platform is remote control. AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

        I think they're getting closer though. Gnome has a Remote Desktop thing you can activate under Sharing, and it actually works half decently -- and works with a regular RDP client. The problem is that you have to be logged in, and can't let the screen lock. It works more akin to VNC rather than along the lines of Terminal Services.

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          1337
          last edited by 1337

          The info below is from Debian but should be the same under Ubuntu.

          GDM (GNOME Display Manager) will automatically use Wayland when supported, except when using the proprietary NVIDIA driver, in which case it will fall back to X11 due to instability.

          To use the X11 backend by default, uncomment the WaylandEnable=false line in the /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf file.

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          • CCWTechC
            CCWTech @1337
            last edited by

            @Pete-S said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

            The info below is from Debian but should be the same under Ubuntu.

            GDM (GNOME Display Manager) will automatically use Wayland when supported, except when using the proprietary NVIDIA driver, in which case it will fall back to X11 due to instability.

            To use the X11 backend by default, uncomment the WaylandEnable=false line in the /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf file.

            It is using NVIDIA Drivers so that must be why. Thanks!

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @dafyre
              last edited by

              @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

              AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

              Nor does MeshCentral

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                Nor does MeshCentral

                Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

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                • travisdh1T
                  travisdh1 @travisdh1
                  last edited by

                  @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                  @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                  AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                  Nor does MeshCentral

                  Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                  I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @travisdh1
                    last edited by

                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                    @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                    AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                    Nor does MeshCentral

                    Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                    I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                    Wayland with MeshCentral?

                    You SURE you are on Wayland?

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                    • travisdh1T
                      travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                      @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                      AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                      Nor does MeshCentral

                      Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                      I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                      Wayland with MeshCentral?

                      You SURE you are on Wayland?

                      Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @travisdh1
                        last edited by

                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                        @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                        AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                        Nor does MeshCentral

                        Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                        I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                        Wayland with MeshCentral?

                        You SURE you are on Wayland?

                        Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                        Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

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                        • travisdh1T
                          travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                          AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                          Nor does MeshCentral

                          Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                          I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                          Wayland with MeshCentral?

                          You SURE you are on Wayland?

                          Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                          Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                          Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

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                          • dafyreD
                            dafyre @travisdh1
                            last edited by

                            @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                            AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                            Nor does MeshCentral

                            Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                            I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                            Wayland with MeshCentral?

                            You SURE you are on Wayland?

                            Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                            Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                            Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                            Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

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                            • travisdh1T
                              travisdh1 @dafyre
                              last edited by

                              @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                              AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                              Nor does MeshCentral

                              Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                              I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                              Wayland with MeshCentral?

                              You SURE you are on Wayland?

                              Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                              Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                              Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                              Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                              Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

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                              • CCWTechC
                                CCWTech @travisdh1
                                last edited by

                                @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                                Nor does MeshCentral

                                Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                                I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                                Wayland with MeshCentral?

                                You SURE you are on Wayland?

                                Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                                Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                                Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                                Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                                Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.
                                No reason to guess:

                                $ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
                                x11

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                                • dafyreD
                                  dafyre @travisdh1
                                  last edited by

                                  @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                  AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                                  Nor does MeshCentral

                                  Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                                  I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                                  Wayland with MeshCentral?

                                  You SURE you are on Wayland?

                                  Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                                  Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                                  Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                                  Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                                  Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

                                  You can check with

                                  loginctl
                                  

                                  and

                                  '''
                                  loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

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                                  • dafyreD
                                    dafyre @CCWTech
                                    last edited by

                                    @CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                    AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                                    Nor does MeshCentral

                                    Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                                    I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                                    Wayland with MeshCentral?

                                    You SURE you are on Wayland?

                                    Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                                    Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                                    Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                                    Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                                    Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.
                                    No reason to guess:

                                    $ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
                                    x11

                                    Well dang. That's a lot easier, lol.

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                                    • travisdh1T
                                      travisdh1 @dafyre
                                      last edited by

                                      @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                      AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                                      Nor does MeshCentral

                                      Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                                      I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                                      Wayland with MeshCentral?

                                      You SURE you are on Wayland?

                                      Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                                      Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                                      Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                                      Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                                      Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

                                      You can check with

                                      loginctl
                                      

                                      and

                                      '''
                                      loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

                                      loginctl show-session -p Type 2
                                      Type=wayland

                                      Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.

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                                      • CCWTechC
                                        CCWTech @travisdh1
                                        last edited by

                                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                        AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                                        Nor does MeshCentral

                                        Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                                        I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                                        Wayland with MeshCentral?

                                        You SURE you are on Wayland?

                                        Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                                        Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                                        Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                                        Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                                        Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

                                        You can check with

                                        loginctl
                                        

                                        and

                                        '''
                                        loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

                                        loginctl show-session -p Type 2
                                        Type=wayland

                                        Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.

                                        What do you have it set to use?

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                                        • dafyreD
                                          dafyre @CCWTech
                                          last edited by

                                          @CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          @dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

                                          AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

                                          Nor does MeshCentral

                                          Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

                                          I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

                                          Wayland with MeshCentral?

                                          You SURE you are on Wayland?

                                          Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

                                          Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

                                          Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

                                          Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

                                          Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

                                          You can check with

                                          loginctl
                                          

                                          and

                                          '''
                                          loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

                                          loginctl show-session -p Type 2
                                          Type=wayland

                                          Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.

                                          What do you have it set to use?

                                          I was under the impression that if you install the NVidia drivers, that you would wind up with X11 and not Wayland.

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