Apple plans to scan your images for child porn
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@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@pete-s said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
However he also said that there were no model release signed.
He claims. Not his parents. He has been making a fuss about it for years and nothing has ever come of it.
True. But as the issue is over pornography, no release can be valid even if signed. But yes, he claims. If there was one, you'd think that there would be public pushback as that's a big deal given the circumstances.
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@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@pete-s said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
However he also said that there were no model release signed.
He claims. Not his parents. He has been making a fuss about it for years and nothing has ever come of it.
True. But as the issue is over pornography, no release can be valid even if signed.
True. But pornography is not equal to nudity. No matter what the Puritanical fucking United States tries to say.
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@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@pete-s said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
However he also said that there were no model release signed.
He claims. Not his parents. He has been making a fuss about it for years and nothing has ever come of it.
True. But as the issue is over pornography, no release can be valid even if signed.
True. But pornography is not equal to nudity. No matter what the Puritanical fucking United States tries to say.
But it's puritanical non-profits of unknown providence and no listed oversight who get to determine what is used by Apple. Apple itself has said it will apply no oversight and just blindly accept what some unlisted non-profits give it.
So considering that there is no standard even suggested to be applied by Apple, a simple claim like this is easily enough to meet their requirements given what Apple has publicly stated. It might not as well. We have no means of knowing as the requirements are not Apple's, but third party requirements, and any oversight of those is unlisted and unknown.
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@pete-s said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
That sounds like scamming,
You are not the only one that thinks that.
he was happy to dine out on having been Nirvana Baby until about 10 seconds ago. In 2016, in a 25th anniversary recreation of the photo shoot, he even volunteered to do it naked again, before thinking better of the idea and posing in swim trunks.
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@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@pete-s said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
That sounds like scamming,
You are not the only one that thinks that.
he was happy to dine out on having been Nirvana Baby until about 10 seconds ago. In 2016, in a 25th anniversary recreation of the photo shoot, he even volunteered to do it naked again, before thinking better of the idea and posing in swim trunks.
Certainly that's a popular, and potentially valid, opinion. And, haha, "poster child".
But it doesn't change the fact that a child was photographed naked and made into a commercial enterprise. I don't see any world where that should be okay. That someone feels that his parents should be allowed to sign a release for that I think is a huge problem. That's no different than how parents here look the other way in child marriages where girls far too young to have any decision making ability are given away to men in their 30s and 40s. Illegal... unless the parents agree.
The "unless parents agree" sounds not so bad when you grow up in rich western Europe, USA, or similar and live in average or above income levels. But in many cultures, and in many places with poverty, parents having their children's interest at heart is often not the case. They don't want to hurt them, but there is a price on everything about them. That's why parents routinely sell their children to slavers.
So no matter what, in my opinion, what was done was wrong. No amount of him being okay with it now matters. No amount of his parents agreeing matters. It was porn, it was wrong, it will always be wrong.
It's like a priest molesting a child and then the child repressing it or coming to terms with having been violated when they had no control. Even worse, the parents were involved! That kind of psychological trauma can never be overlooked. You have a lifetime of having to "deal with" the fact that it happened. You can't be also forced to be traumatized every day to prove that it was bad "for you".
In this case, he's a victim. That's real. Calling it victim culture is victim shaming. That's also real. There's no way to say he was "okay with it" in the past. It is who he is, he HAS to live with it. It's like saying an amputee's pain and anguish isn't valid because they come to terms with their injury by laughing about it or being happy. The person who chopped off their arm shouldn't be excused from responsibility just because the victim isn't suffering even more than necessary. He can't go back and make it not happen. He is forced to make do with the situation that he is in.
Is it the worst thing that has ever happened? Obviously not. Has it crippled his life? We have no way to know. Was it sick, pointless, and wrong? Yes, yes it was and I see no grey area on this. I think that using child nudity for commercial gain is a serious problem whether and that fame and popularity of an artist should not be grounds for looking the other way or attempting to shift blame onto someone not given a choice in the matter.
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And the pile on officially begins.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/09/csam-scan-encrypted-messages/
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@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
And the pile on officially begins.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/09/csam-scan-encrypted-messages/
Now we know how bad it is if the UK is supporting it! The ultimate surveillance state.
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@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
And the pile on officially begins.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/09/csam-scan-encrypted-messages/
Now we know how bad it is if the UK is supporting it! The ultimate surveillance state.
China is way worse...
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@dustinb3403 said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
And the pile on officially begins.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/09/csam-scan-encrypted-messages/
Now we know how bad it is if the UK is supporting it! The ultimate surveillance state.
China is way worse...
yeah, but China is not considered part of the "free world"... and frankly, must of what was once thought to be so, is moving towards not being so.
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@dustinb3403 said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
And the pile on officially begins.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/09/csam-scan-encrypted-messages/
Now we know how bad it is if the UK is supporting it! The ultimate surveillance state.
China is way worse...
Sort of. It depends on what you measure. Camera, they are worse (per capita, for real.) But when it comes to far more intrusive data, they are less.
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@dashrender said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
yeah, but China is not considered part of the "free world"... and frankly, must of what was once thought to be so, is moving towards not being so.
Neither are the US or UK by many sources. EU classifies the US form of government as fundamentally unfree. Turkey was banned from EU membership based solely on moving to the US style of government and classified as "no longer free."
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@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@dustinb3403 said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@scottalanmiller said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
@jaredbusch said in Apple plans to scan your images for child porn:
And the pile on officially begins.
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/09/csam-scan-encrypted-messages/
Now we know how bad it is if the UK is supporting it! The ultimate surveillance state.
China is way worse...
Sort of. It depends on what you measure. Camera, they are worse (per capita, for real.) But when it comes to far more intrusive data, they are less.
Uh that completely ignores the fact they monitor all of their internet traffic. They don't need to file data requests when they already have it?
