What Are You Doing Right Now
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Hulu - "pay us, and we will show you no ads. Wait, here's some ads, thanks for the money you dumbass."
What's wrong with double dipping?!
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs I can't get rid of Netflix (don't have cable) but I probably will write them a sternly worded email. People are dumb enough already, no need for Netflix to help.
Why do you need netflix since you don't have cable? there are tons of other options out there.
I think Netflix just came out with something I wanted to watch recently.. so I'm likely going to keep it another month or two.. but I will likely kill it after that - at least for a while.
oh wait - maybe not.. I just remember - I now get it basically for free because I'm with T-Mobile.
Because Netflix runs America ? /Sarcasm.
I get that that's sarcasm (but only because you said so) - but I don't see how anyone anywhere thinks that, so I'm not sure where the comment really comes from?
Completely random thought.
netflix as a whole is huge with people in my age group.
If you don't have netflix then you're missing out on tv shows that everyone's watching? my age group basically grew up on netflix ever since out teen years , so it's normal? idk.I'd think that YouTube would be crushing Netflix for your age range and lower.
Sure Netflix is probably highly rated among people in your age range, but meh - I have no clue if their originals appeal more to your age group or not.
I'm not in his age range, but youtube is basically the dumpster juice runoff of the internet. whereas Netflix actually posts things that someone who's past adolescence might actually want to see. Example - my gf's 14 year old son has youtube or tiktok shoved up his face 28 hours a day, 33 days a week. If the rest of us are watching something, he usually gets booted to the other room for being disruptive (cackling like an idiot, talking to the screen with headphones on, etc). That is youtube in a nutshell to me. The stupid leading the easily led automatons of the world. I occasionally use it to listen to music, but I still place it in the same boat as things like buzzfeed.
well that's not possible... there's only 24 hours a day and 7 days a week
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs I can't get rid of Netflix (don't have cable) but I probably will write them a sternly worded email. People are dumb enough already, no need for Netflix to help.
Why do you need netflix since you don't have cable? there are tons of other options out there.
I think Netflix just came out with something I wanted to watch recently.. so I'm likely going to keep it another month or two.. but I will likely kill it after that - at least for a while.
oh wait - maybe not.. I just remember - I now get it basically for free because I'm with T-Mobile.
Because Netflix runs America ? /Sarcasm.
I get that that's sarcasm (but only because you said so) - but I don't see how anyone anywhere thinks that, so I'm not sure where the comment really comes from?
Completely random thought.
netflix as a whole is huge with people in my age group.
If you don't have netflix then you're missing out on tv shows that everyone's watching? my age group basically grew up on netflix ever since out teen years , so it's normal? idk.I'd think that YouTube would be crushing Netflix for your age range and lower.
Sure Netflix is probably highly rated among people in your age range, but meh - I have no clue if their originals appeal more to your age group or not.
I'm not in his age range, but youtube is basically the dumpster juice runoff of the internet. whereas Netflix actually posts things that someone who's past adolescence might actually want to see. Example - my gf's 14 year old son has youtube or tiktok shoved up his face 28 hours a day, 33 days a week. If the rest of us are watching something, he usually gets booted to the other room for being disruptive (cackling like an idiot, talking to the screen with headphones on, etc). That is youtube in a nutshell to me. The stupid leading the easily led automatons of the world. I occasionally use it to listen to music, but I still place it in the same boat as things like buzzfeed.
it most certainly can be that.. But I have found Youtube to be a wealth of knowledge and worthwhile assistance.
I've watched a dozen plus laptop teardown videos to keep from breaking things when wanting to replace batteries/keyboards, etc.
I watched a video on how to change the drive shaft in my ATV when it seemed the like the shaft was welded (not really) to the wheel hub. The video basically showed me I could take extreme measures to get the wheel off with little risk of damage to the rest of the bike.Don't get me wrong - there is likely 1000 pieces of crap on YT for every one worthwhile thing.. YT is definitely not a typical place to "watch TV" from, but it's far from a dumpster juice runoff of the internet.
Now Tiktok - that's probably the dumpster juice right there.
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@Dashrender I agree that there are many useful vids on YT, but the bulk of what keeps it afloat is most certainly hot dumpster juice. Seeing the garbage that my gf's 14 yo watches confirms that. How tos about changing a taillight in my Subaru or disassembling a laptop are not keeping YT afloat.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
because hulu is so damn expensive for no ads, live tv, etc. I paid 55 a month for hulu + live tv and no commercials for 2 months.
Netflix is cheaper than hulu (only down side, is no live tv.) with no commercials.
They serve two entirely different purposes/audiences.
Netflix does have a handful of original shows, but nothing from the normal channels - at least not until the season is over (at best), the rest of Netflix is old stuff... Nothing wrong with old stuff, it's just not what I go to Hulu for.
You mentioned Live TV - yep, I don't do that either - I can afford to wait one day, I just don't want to wait a year or more for current shows.
I pay $12.99/m for no commercials and get all the new shows the day after their air - I find this very tolerable.I mean, if I didn't care about currently airing shows, I'd dump Hulu altogether (unless they had some kickass original content I wanted to watch - which they currently don't), but I like watching the current seasons - it's how I choose to be.
So again - Netflix and Hulu aren't even on the same page when it come to what it's Non Live TV offerings offer.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
Hulu - "pay us, and we will show you no ads. Wait, here's some ads, thanks for the money you dumbass."
OK I agree to a point that some shows require an ad before and after the show - meh. I almost never see the ad after because I stop the show during the credits, therefore the last ad never plays.. .the first ad does, but it's only one, then the show itself is uninterrupted.
Sure I could go from $12.99 to $6.99 and add typical ads to all the shows.. it's worth the $6 for so few ads.
I'd pay $10/m to surf the web ad free! Likely though, my surfing is probably worth a lot more than $10/m to the websites I visit in the ad revenue they earn.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender I agree that there are many useful vids on YT, but the bulk of what keeps it afloat is most certainly hot dumpster juice. Seeing the garbage that my gf's 14 yo watches confirms that. How tos about changing a taillight in my Subaru or disassembling a laptop are not keeping YT afloat.
So?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
because hulu is so damn expensive for no ads, live tv, etc. I paid 55 a month for hulu + live tv and no commercials for 2 months.
Netflix is cheaper than hulu (only down side, is no live tv.) with no commercials.
They serve two entirely different purposes/audiences.
Netflix does have a handful of original shows, but nothing from the normal channels - at least not until the season is over (at best), the rest of Netflix is old stuff... Nothing wrong with old stuff, it's just not what I go to Hulu for.
You mentioned Live TV - yep, I don't do that either - I can afford to wait one day, I just don't want to wait a year or more for current shows.
I pay $12.99/m for no commercials and get all the new shows the day after their air - I find this very tolerable.I mean, if I didn't care about currently airing shows, I'd dump Hulu altogether (unless they had some kickass original content I wanted to watch - which they currently don't), but I like watching the current seasons - it's how I choose to be.
So again - Netflix and Hulu aren't even on the same page when it come to what it's Non Live TV offerings offer.
i Didn't see that as an option to watch new tv shows the day after they air..
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
because hulu is so damn expensive for no ads, live tv, etc. I paid 55 a month for hulu + live tv and no commercials for 2 months.
Netflix is cheaper than hulu (only down side, is no live tv.) with no commercials.
They serve two entirely different purposes/audiences.
Netflix does have a handful of original shows, but nothing from the normal channels - at least not until the season is over (at best), the rest of Netflix is old stuff... Nothing wrong with old stuff, it's just not what I go to Hulu for.
You mentioned Live TV - yep, I don't do that either - I can afford to wait one day, I just don't want to wait a year or more for current shows.
I pay $12.99/m for no commercials and get all the new shows the day after their air - I find this very tolerable.I mean, if I didn't care about currently airing shows, I'd dump Hulu altogether (unless they had some kickass original content I wanted to watch - which they currently don't), but I like watching the current seasons - it's how I choose to be.
So again - Netflix and Hulu aren't even on the same page when it come to what it's Non Live TV offerings offer.
i Didn't see that as an option to watch new tv shows the day after they air..
That's a thing?Hell yeah it is - it's how Hulu started. They only added Live TV like 1-2 years ago.
Hulu is NBC/ABC/Disney and their shows - all the day after.
When Hulu first launched it was free and ad supported - then it became paid AND ad supported...
then they when pay more/fewer ads as an option
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
Hulu - "pay us, and we will show you no ads. Wait, here's some ads, thanks for the money you dumbass."
OK I agree to a point that some shows require an ad before and after the show - meh. I almost never see the ad after because I stop the show during the credits, therefore the last ad never plays.. .the first ad does, but it's only one, then the show itself is uninterrupted.
Sure I could go from $12.99 to $6.99 and add typical ads to all the shows.. it's worth the $6 for so few ads.
I'd pay $10/m to surf the web ad free! Likely though, my surfing is probably worth a lot more than $10/m to the websites I visit in the ad revenue they earn.
It's mostly the principle to me... I use adblocker on everything, I've told people I know personally who make their money from website / YT ad dollars "yes, I block ads on your site. You need a more reliable source of income". I think very little of that section of the economy. If I can block your ads, I will. If you have that ad blocker blocker, I no longer use that site. Period. Advertisers are the devil (not to be too insulting to the actual devil, who is way better than people who work in / make money from advertising). My web clicks are not being clicked to make some schmuck money. Advertising basically should not exist, the world would be a much better place without it.
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I've hated every single Live TV solution I've looked at - why? because every one of them has HUGE delays when changing channels. When you're on cable or satellite, when you flip, the next channel is basically there within 1/10 second... but streaming - nope.. could easily be 3 seconds between channels.. this is maddening when you're accustomed to just flipping channels trying to find something to watch. I never really liked just surfing the guide - though that is likely the solution someone here will say I should be using instead.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
because hulu is so damn expensive for no ads, live tv, etc. I paid 55 a month for hulu + live tv and no commercials for 2 months.
Netflix is cheaper than hulu (only down side, is no live tv.) with no commercials.
They serve two entirely different purposes/audiences.
Netflix does have a handful of original shows, but nothing from the normal channels - at least not until the season is over (at best), the rest of Netflix is old stuff... Nothing wrong with old stuff, it's just not what I go to Hulu for.
You mentioned Live TV - yep, I don't do that either - I can afford to wait one day, I just don't want to wait a year or more for current shows.
I pay $12.99/m for no commercials and get all the new shows the day after their air - I find this very tolerable.I mean, if I didn't care about currently airing shows, I'd dump Hulu altogether (unless they had some kickass original content I wanted to watch - which they currently don't), but I like watching the current seasons - it's how I choose to be.
So again - Netflix and Hulu aren't even on the same page when it come to what it's Non Live TV offerings offer.
i Didn't see that as an option to watch new tv shows the day after they air..
That's a thing?Hell yeah it is - it's how Hulu started. They only added Live TV like 1-2 years ago.
Hulu is NBC/ABC/Disney and their shows - all the day after.
When Hulu first launched it was free and ad supported - then it became paid AND ad supported...
then they when pay more/fewer ads as an option
Then later yet - added live TV as an option.Well I'll be damned ,
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
Hulu - "pay us, and we will show you no ads. Wait, here's some ads, thanks for the money you dumbass."
OK I agree to a point that some shows require an ad before and after the show - meh. I almost never see the ad after because I stop the show during the credits, therefore the last ad never plays.. .the first ad does, but it's only one, then the show itself is uninterrupted.
Sure I could go from $12.99 to $6.99 and add typical ads to all the shows.. it's worth the $6 for so few ads.
I'd pay $10/m to surf the web ad free! Likely though, my surfing is probably worth a lot more than $10/m to the websites I visit in the ad revenue they earn.
It's mostly the principle to me... I use adblocker on everything, I've told people I know personally who make their money from website / YT ad dollars "yes, I block ads on your site. You need a more reliable source of income". I think very little of that section of the economy. If I can block your ads, I will. If you have that ad blocker blocker, I no longer use that site. Period. Advertisers are the devil (not to be too insulting to the actual devil, who is way better than people who work in / make money from advertising). My web clicks are not being clicked to make some schmuck money. Advertising basically should not exist, the world would be a much better place without it.
Awww, now the root of the issue.
There are many things we utilize today that wouldn't exist in the form we know today if not for being paid for by advertising. TV, probably radio, the internet at large.
Without advertising, it's pretty unlikely MangoLassi would exist or if it did - it's main job would be to push clients to NTG so they could earn income to pay to keep the website online.
Broadcast TV wouldn't exist without ads - no one pays for broadcast TV, at least not directly. But making TV shows and then having the broadcasting equipment, etc is anything but cheap... all paid for by ads.
What is it about advertising that makes you so against it?
for me, it's when ads become overwhelming - popups, overlays, autoplaying video... but an ad inserted into a page, meh, don't care. I can easily ignore them!Ads in our TV shows? Hell, that's why you used the bathroom, refilled the drinks, grabbed a snack. Sure if you didn't need any of those things, it was/is a bit more of a PITA.
So - Here's the kicker - How does your friend who has a YT channel get paid if not through ads? Are you willing to pay $0.01/min you watch? what about $0.10/min?
99% of people will say hell no I won't pay to watch YT, not when there are other options out there that let me watch for Free (and by free they mean - ad supported) and if specifically pressed, most will say they'd rather see an ad than pay for the access.
Now me personally - I'm putting my money where my mouth is - I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority. this kind of tells me that for general TV viewing - ads = $6/m of revenue per household (at least for Hulu).. that's really not that much.
I'm also reminded about Angry Birds - When it was originally released - it was released on the iPhone Ad Free for like $3. The makers of Angry Birds decided to give ads a try on Android, and made it free, but ad supported. I heard that the makers where making 10x the money on Android compared to Apple - now, what I don't know is how many people were on android vs how many on Apple... but still, considering they only made money when people were playing and ads were being shown.... it's seems pretty clear that they are making more money on ads than just a straight fee.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
because hulu is so damn expensive for no ads, live tv, etc. I paid 55 a month for hulu + live tv and no commercials for 2 months.
Netflix is cheaper than hulu (only down side, is no live tv.) with no commercials.
They serve two entirely different purposes/audiences.
Netflix does have a handful of original shows, but nothing from the normal channels - at least not until the season is over (at best), the rest of Netflix is old stuff... Nothing wrong with old stuff, it's just not what I go to Hulu for.
You mentioned Live TV - yep, I don't do that either - I can afford to wait one day, I just don't want to wait a year or more for current shows.
I pay $12.99/m for no commercials and get all the new shows the day after their air - I find this very tolerable.I mean, if I didn't care about currently airing shows, I'd dump Hulu altogether (unless they had some kickass original content I wanted to watch - which they currently don't), but I like watching the current seasons - it's how I choose to be.
So again - Netflix and Hulu aren't even on the same page when it come to what it's Non Live TV offerings offer.
i Didn't see that as an option to watch new tv shows the day after they air..
That's a thing?Hell yeah it is - it's how Hulu started. They only added Live TV like 1-2 years ago.
Hulu is NBC/ABC/Disney and their shows - all the day after.
When Hulu first launched it was free and ad supported - then it became paid AND ad supported...
then they when pay more/fewer ads as an option
Then later yet - added live TV as an option.Well I'll be damned ,
This is is why I'm considering ditching Netflix - there isn't much content there I care about. I can binge what I do care about, then cancel it (save for the fact that t-mobile pays for it, so why give up a service that's included in my t-mobile bill, that I can't make lower by not using it).
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@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this. As far as the youtuber I know, I wouldn't call him a friend, and I sincerely don't care if he makes money or not. Having a youtube channel is not a real job (no matter how much time someone spends on it). When I need a drink or bathroom break, I press pause. If youtube started charging by the second or minute, it would promptly go into my PiHole blacklist. At the end of the day, all the TV, streaming, whatever content out there is just fluff anyway. Take it all away tomorrow, and I'd have a lot more time to dedicate to making music, or literally any other worthwhile pursuit. While it's nice to be able to turn something on after a long day when you don't want to brain anymore, it's certainly not a requirement.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this.
All true - but why do you care?
But better yet - do you feel that the tail light video on YT had value?
What is YT was pay only? what if all TV was pay only?
What if the bar required you to pay $1/song by the live band playing - would you stop going there? I'm guessing you might - but what you don't know, you already do - you pay that through drinks or a cover fee or cost of food. Very few places anymore have truly free live music.
In the grand scheme of things, you and don't hurt the system much - the normals of the world continue to buy products, products that pay for ads to be shown... so the money is getting to those that need it, just through other means.
Again, I'm guessing you'd bail on ML if they blocked you ad blocker.. so you believe this site has so little value to you, that you're unwilling to allow their site to load an ad so they can make a few cents off your visit.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this.
All true - but why do you care?
But better yet - do you feel that the tail light video on YT had value?
What is YT was pay only? what if all TV was pay only?
What if the bar required you to pay $1/song by the live band playing - would you stop going there? I'm guessing you might - but what you don't know, you already do - you pay that through drinks or a cover fee or cost of food. Very few places anymore have truly free live music.
In the grand scheme of things, you and don't hurt the system much - the normals of the world continue to buy products, products that pay for ads to be shown... so the money is getting to those that need it, just through other means.
Again, I'm guessing you'd bail on ML if they blocked you ad blocker.. so you believe this site has so little value to you, that you're unwilling to allow their site to load an ad so they can make a few cents off your visit.
If bars charged customers $1 per song per person, my band might actually be able to cover the gas it cost us to get there. Bad example for someone like me. I pay to see bands I like, and I buy merch from them (the only real way to support a live band, only way they make money), and I generally avoid no cover / live music things because I don't like cover bands. It's all just a pipe dream that advertising will go away, but a guy can dream of a better world, can't he?
Taillight video on yt was just a random example. If it cost even a penny to watch, I would have just called the Subaru dealership (but I despise talking on the phone, so not my 1st choice). If all TV was pay only, I'd be pirating the shit out of anything I wanted to watch. I'd like to think by the time any of that happens, I'll be dead.
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anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this.
All true - but why do you care?
But better yet - do you feel that the tail light video on YT had value?
What is YT was pay only? what if all TV was pay only?
What if the bar required you to pay $1/song by the live band playing - would you stop going there? I'm guessing you might - but what you don't know, you already do - you pay that through drinks or a cover fee or cost of food. Very few places anymore have truly free live music.
In the grand scheme of things, you and don't hurt the system much - the normals of the world continue to buy products, products that pay for ads to be shown... so the money is getting to those that need it, just through other means.
Again, I'm guessing you'd bail on ML if they blocked you ad blocker.. so you believe this site has so little value to you, that you're unwilling to allow their site to load an ad so they can make a few cents off your visit.
If bars charged customers $1 per song per person, my band might actually be able to cover the gas it cost us to get there. Bad example for someone like me. I pay to see bands I like, and I buy merch from them (the only real way to support a live band, only way they make money), and I generally avoid no cover / live music things because I don't like cover bands. It's all just a pipe dream that advertising will go away, but a guy can dream of a better world, can't he?
Taillight video on yt was just a random example. If it cost even a penny to watch, I would have just called the Subaru dealership (but I despise talking on the phone, so not my 1st choice). If all TV was pay only, I'd be pirating the shit out of anything I wanted to watch. I'd like to think by the time any of that happens, I'll be dead.
Wow - 1 penny, the video didn't give you even 1 penny worth of value - do you pay for training? Hell - what do you pay for? only physical goods you can get your hands on? So you're not really paying the band for their music - i.e. you wouldn't just toss money in a bucket because they were playing - you only support them if they have some good that you want to own.
I used to be that way too, I've definitely changed in recent years. I pay for LP because I like the product and want to see them stay open. I pay for Hulu because while I could easily private every TV show they have - it's not worth my time and hassle to do that manually versus paying $12.99.
Heck - I've been completely against paying CBS online (bastards aren't part of Hulu)... I bought a $150 network attached tuner and antenna to record CBS shows over the air, but I've been thinking - huh - maybe that's just dumb! perhaps I really should return this item and just pay CBS... Clearly I feel they have valuable content, otherwise why would I spend $150 on a tuner? Plus by paying CBS, I got a TON more content than just what's broadcast. At $5.99/m, that's 25 months, not counting the time value of money.
Oh, and my last tuner, only lasted two years, granted that lower than average, but it's all I have to go on at this point.
