Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1
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@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Obsolesce said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
The only thing that applies is the included EULA or license.rtf with the software (in this case, Windows 10). No FAQ, blog, MS technical document, MS web page, etc. is a valid means of verifying whether or not your installation is properly licensed.
This is true except in a case (and I can't find one happening, but I've been checking for it) where you have to agree to something in order to acquire the EULA in the first place. But as long as you legitimately acquire the EULA, it applies to you.
Yes, this is why I posted the EULA for MCT first, to show it's a valid method for obtaining the Windows 10 media for installation in this upgrade scenario.
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@Obsolesce said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Obsolesce said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
The only thing that applies is the included EULA or license.rtf with the software (in this case, Windows 10). No FAQ, blog, MS technical document, MS web page, etc. is a valid means of verifying whether or not your installation is properly licensed.
This is true except in a case (and I can't find one happening, but I've been checking for it) where you have to agree to something in order to acquire the EULA in the first place. But as long as you legitimately acquire the EULA, it applies to you.
Yes, this is why I posted the EULA for MCT first, to show it's a valid method for obtaining the Windows 10 media for installation in this upgrade scenario.
so your claim is that
this bit is saying - since your Win 7, 8, 8.1 is licensed valid/legally, and that since MCT will activate by an authorized method - that that is what makes this legal for you use use MCT to upgrade? Seems like a stretch. -
@Dashrender said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
this bit is saying - since your Win 7, 8, 8.1 is licensed valid/legally, and that since MCT will activate by an authorized method - that that is what makes this legal for you use use MCT to upgrade? Seems like a stretch.
That's exactly what he is saying, and it only seems like a stretch, rather than obviously what it says, because you have two false assumptions under your belt while reading it... that Windows 10 is a version rather than a name and that Microsoft is not allowing the updates. If you fix those two false assumptions and read it openly, it isn't a stretch in the least.
Since you have a proper license, abided by the EULA, followed all protocols, and been properly activated without any workarounds... yeah, where do you get the "stretch" part?
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Nice timing for this - we currently have around 2 dozen machines still on Windows 7 for various reasons. We were planning on buying new Windows 10 machines to replace all of them by the end of the year. I admit, I didn't look into it further than seeing the free upgrade offer was no longer officially on the table. If I can upgrade these Windows 7 machines for free, other than my time and an SSD for those that don't already have one, management will be very pleased.
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@scottalanmiller How is using the MCT different from just doing the upgrade from within Windows 7 for example?
Or MCT will give you a fresh install compared to an upgrade?
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@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller How is using the MCT different from just doing the upgrade from within Windows 7 for example?
Different in the effort involved
I'm not saying that there aren't other legit upgrade methods, just that the MCT one is the most universal that I've found. If you can kick it off completely from Windows 7 without needing the MCT, that's great. But when I've tried that, it always fails (but tries.) -
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Or MCT will give you a fresh install compared to an upgrade?
No, it's still an upgrade just the same. But it does it with a huge amount of prep so the process is pretty reliable.
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@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Or MCT will give you a fresh install compared to an upgrade?
No, it's still an upgrade just the same. But it does it with a huge amount of prep so the process is pretty reliable.
But if you use MCT to upgrade do you then get a Win10 license key as well? Or do you still have to use whatever old whatever version key you have?
I'm thinking if you have to reinstall everything after the upgrade to Win10. Do you have to go back to old windows again and start over?
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@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Or MCT will give you a fresh install compared to an upgrade?
No, it's still an upgrade just the same. But it does it with a huge amount of prep so the process is pretty reliable.
But if you use MCT to upgrade do you then get a Win10 license key as well? Or do you still have to use whatever old whatever version key you have?
I'm thinking if you have to reinstall everything after the upgrade to Win10. Do you have to go back to old windows again and start over?
No, because your existing Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 key are all valid keys for 10
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@DustinB3403 said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Or MCT will give you a fresh install compared to an upgrade?
No, it's still an upgrade just the same. But it does it with a huge amount of prep so the process is pretty reliable.
But if you use MCT to upgrade do you then get a Win10 license key as well? Or do you still have to use whatever old whatever version key you have?
I'm thinking if you have to reinstall everything after the upgrade to Win10. Do you have to go back to old windows again and start over?
No, because your existing Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 key are all valid keys for 10
Thanks.
When I just now went and downloaded MCT and wanted to save it I saw that already had the 1803 version from last year. I had forgotten that I've actually used MCT in the past... -
Err... Activation != licensing.
This will get you working activation but - using this method you still will not own a legitimate license for Windows 10 doing this.
Yes, you “can” but should not. A rep from Microsoft licensing stated this unequivocally over at Spiceworks. NOT in this thread but same info:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2200671-upgrade-to-windows-10-pro-from-windows-7?page=2To be clear: do what you like with your home computing devices. But for any business purposes this is simply an unadvisable (at best) way to proceed. If a Microsoft licensing audit ever occurs, blame for the resulting fines will rest squarely on your shoulders. Don’t let it happen
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We have been using a process that makes use of gatherosstate.exe and it's respect I've xml file. I'm not at the office will have to look it up tomorrow
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@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller How is using the MCT different from just doing the upgrade from within Windows 7 for example?
Different in the effort involved
I'm not saying that there aren't other legit upgrade methods, just that the MCT one is the most universal that I've found. If you can kick it off completely from Windows 7 without needing the MCT, that's great. But when I've tried that, it always fails (but tries.)We ALWAYS ran the MCT download from a network share. The key for us to have a successful upgrade was to NOT ALLOW "check for updates" during the upgrade It's a checkbox during the initial screens. Make sure you are compliant with licensing before upgrading
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@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Or MCT will give you a fresh install compared to an upgrade?
No, it's still an upgrade just the same. But it does it with a huge amount of prep so the process is pretty reliable.
But if you use MCT to upgrade do you then get a Win10 license key as well? Or do you still have to use whatever old whatever version key you have?
I'm thinking if you have to reinstall everything after the upgrade to Win10. Do you have to go back to old windows again and start over?
Your Key from the prior version is re-assigned/changed/converted; use whatever term you wish; let's say you upgrade your Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. After activation of Windows 10 with your Windows 7 key, your Windows 7 license is no longer a Windows 7 license key, it is a Windows 10 license key. This license "change" may have stopped occurring after the end of the free upgrade period (even though it still activated). Make sure you are compliant with licensing before upgrading.
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@JasGot said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
@scottalanmiller How is using the MCT different from just doing the upgrade from within Windows 7 for example?
Different in the effort involved
I'm not saying that there aren't other legit upgrade methods, just that the MCT one is the most universal that I've found. If you can kick it off completely from Windows 7 without needing the MCT, that's great. But when I've tried that, it always fails (but tries.)We ALWAYS ran the MCT download from a network share. The key for us to have a successful upgrade was to NOT ALLOW "check for updates" during the upgrade It's a checkbox during the initial screens. Make sure you are compliant with licensing before upgrading
I've had good luck with updates during the process, mostly.
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@David_CSG said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Err... Activation != licensing.
Correct, the licensing has already happened prior to the activation. The activation is just another step to assist in verifying.
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@David_CSG said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Yes, you “can” but should not. A rep from Microsoft licensing stated this unequivocally over at Spiceworks. NOT in this thread but same info:
Can't find any rep on that thread. And you have to be careful with actual reps, we've had people that we had to fire for incompetence that went on to be MS reps. And we've had actual MS employees come on this forum and try to run customer shame scams. MS is a giant company and even known employees aren't real reps, let alone random enthusiasts in communities.
Statements like keys are not licenses are totally correct. But completely overlook the fact that we are acquiring the license in this situation. So if there is a question of the license not being value, it needs to be addressed there. All the other stuff like "activation is not licensing" is misdirection as that was never a factor.
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@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
But if you use MCT to upgrade do you then get a Win10 license key as well? Or do you still have to use whatever old whatever version key you ha
You already had the key, what you get is a new license. Keys aren't important, licenses matter. It's the new license provided with the MCT that protects you. That the key is usable or can be activated are suggestive, but nothing more than that.
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@Pete-S said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
I'm thinking if you have to reinstall everything after the upgrade to Win10. Do you have to go back to old windows again and start over?
The MCT process does not produce a need to reinstall software.
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@David_CSG said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
If a Microsoft licensing audit ever occurs, blame for the resulting fines will rest squarely on your shoulders. Don’t let it happen
This is scary but you can say this about all licensing and make it seem like you should never do anything. But in this case, we are talking about Microsoft issuing a new EULA... https://odinlaw.com/the-differences-between-a-eula-tos-and-sla/
The EULA is a new license and comes from Microsoft. I don't see how you are any less protected than if purchasing any other way. No matter how you do it, it's the EULA that let's you use the software and you get a new EULA this way. So it's just as newly "licensed" as any other method.
