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    Why IT Builds a House of Cards

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    • momurdaM
      momurda
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      Too bad I can only upvote this once.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        I hope to write more on how businesses can deal with this and how IT can encourage businesses to deal with this. And how to avoid it.

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        • dafyreD
          dafyre @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

          I hope to write more on how businesses can deal with this and how IT can encourage businesses to deal with this. And how to avoid it.

          These are things that are sorely needed to be visible -- especially at the upper levels of management in some circles.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

            Combine this with the fact that nearly no SMB has a growth plan for IT pros effectively forcing them to change jobs to continue their careers and we have a disastrous combination of factors for the business.

            This is almost as big of a factor as incompetence. Pay is rarely good for SMB, training is rarely offered, and Management rarely cares about IT long term. There isn't much incentive to do any better for your company. The IT professionals that are competent know they are using the job as a stepping stone so they like to stay on cruise control and it is hard to blame them.

            However, I left my last position with a completely different network then when I started. It shows how a competent IT staff who is supported by management can accomplish quite a lot. I will say they did pay quite a bit better than most other jobs with networks around the same size and appropriately staffed their IT.

            The moral of the story here is you get what you pay for. Every once in awhile you can get a rockstar IT person at $40K a year, but it doesn't really happen very often. Sure, many IT people go start out a $20k and work their way up ( I did), but they are going to view that $40K a year salary as a stepping stone with limited growth. Give them limited support (money and verbal) and the chances of having a dank network get even lower.

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              @IRJ said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

              The moral of the story here is you get what you pay for. Every once in awhile you can get a rockstar IT person at $40K a year, but it doesn't really happen very often. Sure, many IT people go start out a $20k and work their way up ( I did), but they are going to view that $40K a year salary as a stepping stone with limited growth. Give them limited support (money and verbal) and the chances of having a dank network get even lower.

              $10 an hour to hire IT?!? You can make more waiting tables, or at a gas station. 40K isn't much better (Bartenders make more than this).

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @StorageNinja
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                @John-Nicholson said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                @IRJ said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                The moral of the story here is you get what you pay for. Every once in awhile you can get a rockstar IT person at $40K a year, but it doesn't really happen very often. Sure, many IT people go start out a $20k and work their way up ( I did), but they are going to view that $40K a year salary as a stepping stone with limited growth. Give them limited support (money and verbal) and the chances of having a dank network get even lower.

                $10 an hour to hire IT?!? You can make more waiting tables, or at a gas station. 40K isn't much better (Bartenders make more than this).

                Haven't been in SW much I take it. Tons of people complaining about earning less than gas station cashiers and fast food workers.

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                • FiyaFlyF
                  FiyaFly @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                  @John-Nicholson said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                  @IRJ said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                  The moral of the story here is you get what you pay for. Every once in awhile you can get a rockstar IT person at $40K a year, but it doesn't really happen very often. Sure, many IT people go start out a $20k and work their way up ( I did), but they are going to view that $40K a year salary as a stepping stone with limited growth. Give them limited support (money and verbal) and the chances of having a dank network get even lower.

                  $10 an hour to hire IT?!? You can make more waiting tables, or at a gas station. 40K isn't much better (Bartenders make more than this).

                  Haven't been in SW much I take it. Tons of people complaining about earning less than gas station cashiers and fast food workers.

                  It's become rather common. Most of my jobs I have been severely underpaid. Not all, mind you, but most.

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                  • DustinB3403D
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                    Just to necro this thread, how would someone in IT actually get the business to see and understand these risks? I've tried this, explained in full detail the chances taken and I get a "thank you for telling us, but let's stay the course" sorts of responses.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                      Just to necro this thread, how would someone in IT actually get the business to see and understand these risks?

                      Literally print out this article and hand it to them! 🙂

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                      • EddieJenningsE
                        EddieJennings @DustinB3403
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                        @DustinB3403 said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                        "thank you for telling us, but let's stay the course" sorts of responses.

                        Not much you can do for that. As a teacher, I could teach all day, but there was no way for me to force a kid to learn.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @EddieJennings
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                          @EddieJennings Not even if you hit them with the book?

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                            scotth
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                            Try the rubber chicken. Worked for my geometry teacher

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                              @DustinB3403 said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                              @EddieJennings Not even if you hit them with the book?

                              That's tough, kids move fast.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @scotth
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                                @scotth said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                                Try the rubber chicken. Worked for my geometry teacher

                                Well rubber chickens are way more aerodynamic than any book so that's a no brainer.

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                                  scotth @DustinB3403
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                                  @DustinB3403 Remember to answer the air gapped phone in the bottom right drawer. 🙂

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @scotth
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                                    @scotth said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                                    @DustinB3403 Remember to answer the air gapped phone in the bottom right drawer. 🙂

                                    What?

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                                    • dafyreD
                                      dafyre @DustinB3403
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                                      @DustinB3403 said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                                      Just to necro this thread, how would someone in IT actually get the business to see and understand these risks? I've tried this, explained in full detail the chances taken and I get a "thank you for telling us, but let's stay the course" sorts of responses.

                                      So you stay the course while keeping your resume current,,, and then, when the proverbial crap hits the fan, you have the prime opportunity to say "I told you so!"

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                                        scotth @DustinB3403
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                                        @DustinB3403 said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                                        @scotth said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                                        @DustinB3403 Remember to answer the air gapped phone in the bottom right drawer. 🙂

                                        What?

                                        Same geometry teacher would take out the rubber chicken, beat it on the desk and then pretend to answer the deskphone in his bottom right drawer. All I can say it that it got our attention.

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                                        • FiyaFlyF
                                          FiyaFly @DustinB3403
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                                          @DustinB3403 said in Why IT Builds a House of Cards:

                                          Just to necro this thread, how would someone in IT actually get the business to see and understand these risks? I've tried this, explained in full detail the chances taken and I get a "thank you for telling us, but let's stay the course" sorts of responses.

                                          Thanks for the necro. Get greeted with a comment I didn't recall making, just to look at the date 2 1/2 years ago. lol.

                                          Then, on a second note, this article legitimately applies to me today.

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