Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....
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@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Decided to try WAC. That software in my opinion is a train wreck.
That's what we have found.
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@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
In comes KVM - I am seriously considering using it to host the Nextcloud server which will run on Fedora as well the KVM host. I need someone to convince me otherwise. If Cockpit would work well enough to manage the VMs, I may just go that route. Any reason this is a bad idea? I have used KVM with virt-manager but not fully used Cockpit for management. Web interface would be the best fit for this install.
Cockpit can't quite do it all yet. Don't go down that path. Install virt-manager on your local desktop, connect over SSH, manage from virt-manager. Easy, done.
Hyper-V is crazy to me, if you aren't forced to use it, how did it even get considered? Just a huge waste of time and resources.
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@DustinB3403 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You can, you just need to add the tools.
You have to do the networking pieces and some VM creation by hand still
COckpit is going to rock this soon, but not quite yet.
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@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
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@scottalanmiller No doubt. I don’t think it should have been released yet. The import/export function that have existed for a long time in HV manager are a “feature request”. Really?
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@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller No doubt. I don’t think it should have been released yet. The import/export function that have existed for a long time in HV manager are a “feature request”. Really?
And it is on multiple releases at this point. Microsoft's approach to "polish" on released products has really changed. Deploying in every way as they want you to, it often just totally doesn't work.
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
Wait, what? It the Cockpit interface doesn't create usable VMs?
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@DustinB3403 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
Wait, what? It the Cockpit interface doesn't create usable VMs?
No, you can't select your networking properly, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@DustinB3403 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
Wait, what? It the Cockpit interface doesn't create usable VMs?
No, you can't select your networking properly, for example.
Oh.
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@DustinB3403 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
Wait, what? It the Cockpit interface doesn't create usable VMs?
No, you can't select your networking properly, for example.
And storage location.
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Yeah, really sucks. But F29 was a big step up from F28. F30 isn't there yet (we've had it deployed for weeks.) But fingers crossed that F31 in the fall will be there.
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@FATeknollogee said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@DustinB3403 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
Wait, what? It the Cockpit interface doesn't create usable VMs?
No, you can't select your networking properly, for example.
And storage location.
That, too. Just use virt-manager for the moment. Hence my thread on how to put that on Windows.
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If Cockpit was ready to do everything on its own, I'd not be deploying virt-manager everywhere for now.
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@FATeknollogee said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@DustinB3403 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@Pete-S said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@brandon220 said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Cockpit
Was cockpit really up to the task yet? I thought you couldn't create VMs in it.
You CAN, just not usable ones. So semantics... it CREATES them, but you'll need to create YOURS by hand, lol.
Wait, what? It the Cockpit interface doesn't create usable VMs?
No, you can't select your networking properly, for example.
And storage location.
That, too. Just use virt-manager for the moment. Hence my thread on how to put that on Windows.
Even with these "limitations", I'd still use KVM over Hyper-V, that's a no-brainer!!
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Hyper-V is crazy to me, if you aren't forced to use it, how did it even get considered? Just a huge waste of time and resources.
I'm guessing the only time to use Hyper-V is if the client doesn't want to pay for a hypervisor and wants Veeam agentless?
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@pmoncho said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Hyper-V is crazy to me, if you aren't forced to use it, how did it even get considered? Just a huge waste of time and resources.
I'm guessing the only time to use Hyper-V is if the client doesn't want to pay for a hypervisor and wants Veeam agentless?
But the question should never be "do you want to pay for the hypervisor and do you require Veeam agentless?" as those are red herrings.
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Yeah, really sucks. But F29 was a big step up from F28. F30 isn't there yet (we've had it deployed for weeks.) But fingers crossed that F31 in the fall will be there.
Umm cockpit is not tied to Fedora releases. They can update it anytime they want to spend the resources to do so.
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@JaredBusch said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Yeah, really sucks. But F29 was a big step up from F28. F30 isn't there yet (we've had it deployed for weeks.) But fingers crossed that F31 in the fall will be there.
Umm cockpit is not tied to Fedora releases. They can update it anytime they want to spend the resources to do so.
That's not really how it works. Cockpit's version is set by the OS. They freeze during release, and you get the new version with the new release. Cockpit itself can update anytime, but to keep your OS' package system you get what is included.
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@pmoncho said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Hyper-V is crazy to me, if you aren't forced to use it, how did it even get considered? Just a huge waste of time and resources.
I'm guessing the only time to use Hyper-V is if the client doesn't want to pay for a hypervisor and wants Veeam agentless?
If Veeam agentless is a requirement, I've said forever... using your choice of backup product (not even vendor) to determine your infrastructure decisions is serious cart leading horse.
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@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@pmoncho said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
@scottalanmiller said in Choosing KVM over Hyper-V....:
Hyper-V is crazy to me, if you aren't forced to use it, how did it even get considered? Just a huge waste of time and resources.
I'm guessing the only time to use Hyper-V is if the client doesn't want to pay for a hypervisor and wants Veeam agentless?
If Veeam agentless is a requirement, I've said forever... using your choice of backup product (not even vendor) to determine your infrastructure decisions is serious cart leading horse.
I get that. That was my thought too. Just a situation I can see happening.
