Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement
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@scottalanmiller said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Mike-Davis said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech Even with only 4 users, wouldn't that mean create 4 user accounts on the server and then manage 4 user accounts on 4 machines. I supposed you could use the net user command in screen connect, but setting up a domain is so easy.
Not as easy as running "net user". One command sequence four times is nothing.
But why the assumption of four user accounts per machine? That's not normal in small businesses. People with AD always assume that, but I've almost never seen an SMB that used more than a couple like that. The "everyone will log in as their own account, and on every machine" theory is an extreme niche edge case, not at all the norm.
Assuming the OP uses the router to host DNS instead of the server, I'm assuming the router will also have an internal DNS table to make finding internal resources easier as well?
Of course in a mostly static environment - it could all be setup manually by hand in the first place - but gawd... talk about suck.
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Here is you answer, although it's completely convoluted answer. Read the purple bit, and then the highlighted bit.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
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@DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Here is you answer, although it's completely convoluted answer. Read the purple bit, and then the highlighted bit.
Sure that says you can add a computer to it - not that a Domain isn't required.
Though - Since it doesn't seem to be making you setup a domain - I can't imagine it would be required any longer... though the idea of using a server in a 25 user environment and not having one, not my choice.
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@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily
Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily
Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize
Right?!
Oh we also have QuickBooks (is it at least from this year?) No, it's from 2000 (Wonderful. . . )
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily
Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize
It would be interesting to know if Essentials allows for the install of 3rd party software like that?
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@DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily
Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize
Right?!
Oh we also have QuickBooks (is it at least from this year?) No, it's from 2000 (Wonderful. . . )
But our $800 Dell server with Windows Essentials will handle it just fine
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@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily
Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize
It would be interesting to know if Essentials allows for the install of 3rd party software like that?
Probably does..Of course it does... That is exactly what OP is doing.
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The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.
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I would argue the point of Essentials is to try and lock tiny and SOHO businesses into the MS ecosystem.
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@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.
Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.
Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC
Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.
Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC
Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.
One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.
Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC
Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.
One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users
Monthly cost though would be a big burden on a tiny business. I do get the value though.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@scottalanmiller said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
I hear companies say that alot, but they dont always have a valid reason. SMB is SMB.
It's not SMB. It's an application.
No, No. What I meant is to run the app on Windows and do the SMB sharing on Linux.
I see. Yes, that would work. There just isn't generally much use of an SMB share on those customers that I've seen. If it is super light use, splitting it out when the server only runs one minor app and shares a few files is extra stuff to maintain.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
No one here knows - we don't run that software.
No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?
No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.
Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?
I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.
Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.
That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily
Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize
It would be interesting to know if Essentials allows for the install of 3rd party software like that?
Probably does..Of course it does... That is exactly what OP is doing.
Kind of its purpose.
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@DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.
Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC
Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.
One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users
Monthly cost though would be a big burden on a tiny business. I do get the value though.
20 users is $100 a month. Less than paying an IT person for one hour of work.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.
That's not its purpose. If those were the only pieces needed, Windows itself makes no sense. It's most fundamental purpose is to run LOB apps that are Windows only.
