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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @IRJ
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      @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

      @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

      @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

      @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

      @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

      @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

      No one here knows - we don't run that software.

      No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?

      No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.

      Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?

      I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.

      Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.

      That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily 😉

      Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize 🙂

      Right?!

      Oh we also have QuickBooks (is it at least from this year?) No, it's from 2000 (Wonderful. . . )

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @IRJ
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        @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

        @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

        @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

        @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

        @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

        @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

        No one here knows - we don't run that software.

        No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?

        No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.

        Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?

        I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.

        Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.

        That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily 😉

        Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize 🙂

        It would be interesting to know if Essentials allows for the install of 3rd party software like that?
        Probably does..

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        • IRJI
          IRJ @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

          No one here knows - we don't run that software.

          No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?

          No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.

          Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?

          I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.

          Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.

          That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily 😉

          Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize 🙂

          Right?!

          Oh we also have QuickBooks (is it at least from this year?) No, it's from 2000 (Wonderful. . . )

          But our $800 Dell server with Windows Essentials will handle it just fine 😉

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          • IRJI
            IRJ @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

            No one here knows - we don't run that software.

            No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?

            No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.

            Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?

            I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.

            Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.

            That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily 😉

            Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize 🙂

            It would be interesting to know if Essentials allows for the install of 3rd party software like that?
            Probably does..

            Of course it does... That is exactly what OP is doing.

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            • IRJI
              IRJ
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              The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @IRJ
                last edited by

                @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
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                  I would argue the point of Essentials is to try and lock tiny and SOHO businesses into the MS ecosystem.

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                  • IRJI
                    IRJ @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                    @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                    The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                    This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                    Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @IRJ
                      last edited by

                      @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                      @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                      @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                      The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                      This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                      Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                      Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.

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                      • IRJI
                        IRJ @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                        @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                        @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                        @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                        The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                        This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                        Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                        Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.

                        One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @IRJ
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                          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                          @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                          The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                          This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                          Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                          Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.

                          One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users

                          Monthly cost though would be a big burden on a tiny business. I do get the value though.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                            Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux

                            They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.

                            Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?

                            That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.

                            I hear companies say that alot, but they dont always have a valid reason. SMB is SMB.

                            It's not SMB. It's an application.

                            No, No. What I meant is to run the app on Windows and do the SMB sharing on Linux.

                            I see. Yes, that would work. There just isn't generally much use of an SMB share on those customers that I've seen. If it is super light use, splitting it out when the server only runs one minor app and shares a few files is extra stuff to maintain.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                              @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                              No one here knows - we don't run that software.

                              No one here runs Server 2019 Essentials?

                              No - most here run standard Windows Server or some flavor or Linux. Essentials is only for SUPER tiny environments (I think it's limited to 25 connections)... a version that at least with 2012 didn't require User CALs, making it significantly cheaper for super tiny shops that required Windows, but once you hit over 25, you got a HUGE upgrade cost i.e. full server license and 25+ CALs.

                              Yep. It is generally not reliable either. At least earlier version weren't. Throw all MS services on one piece of underpowered hardware and then throw all your apps over it. What could go wrong?

                              I guess i was lucky - when they started calling it Essentials - there weren't that many services left - File/Print/AD/DNS/DHCP and what WSUS? that's all pretty typical single box stuff in my mind. WSUS could be shit for sure, but the rest can work together no issues.

                              Back when it was SBS server and had Exchange and possibly a corporate firewall and SQL server - OMG - yeah, kill me now!.

                              That's just the out of the box stuff that can be simple solved off windows very easily 😉

                              Dont forget that these businesses like to throw quickbooks and other poorly made sofware on their Essentials server including these other services which are already too much to have on one box IMO. It's 2019, virtualize 🙂

                              It would be interesting to know if Essentials allows for the install of 3rd party software like that?
                              Probably does..

                              Of course it does... That is exactly what OP is doing.

                              Kind of its purpose.

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                              • IRJI
                                IRJ @DustinB3403
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                                @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                                Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                                Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.

                                One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users

                                Monthly cost though would be a big burden on a tiny business. I do get the value though.

                                20 users is $100 a month. Less than paying an IT person for one hour of work.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                  @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                  The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                  That's not its purpose. If those were the only pieces needed, Windows itself makes no sense. It's most fundamental purpose is to run LOB apps that are Windows only.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                    @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                    The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                    This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                                    Very true.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @IRJ
                                      last edited by

                                      @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                      @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                      @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                      The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                      This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                                      Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                                      Actually file/print on a DC is considered super standard and one of the "good times to merge services".

                                      But in this case, there is no DC. So doesn't apply.

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                                      • IRJI
                                        IRJ @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                        @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                        The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                        That's not its purpose. If those were the only pieces needed, Windows itself makes no sense. It's most fundamental purpose is to run LOB apps that are Windows only.

                                        Essentials makes no sense. Why not just offer Windows standard if that were the case.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                          @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                          @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                          The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                          This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                                          Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                                          Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.

                                          One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users

                                          OneDrive is harder to backup, manage, and maintain. It can be a good solution, but it presents its own problems.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                            @Dashrender said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                            @IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:

                                            The whole point of Essentials is to run Essentials (aka essential services). Like it should be dedicated to AD, DNS, DHCP.

                                            This was kinda my point - though I consider print and file as part of that as well.

                                            Right and I'd do printer in a small environment, but I dont know if there is ever a reason to do a file server on your DC

                                            Well the reason is because "it costs so much" to purchase Windows Server X again and licensing for just that service. It's why so many businesses did it.

                                            One Drive is a no brainer IMO if you have under $25 users

                                            Monthly cost though would be a big burden on a tiny business. I do get the value though.

                                            Yeah, that's key. It is a lot more money.

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