On-Premises soft PBX
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@scottalanmiller said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@JaredBusch said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@scottalanmiller said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender said in On-Premises soft PBX:
$3k gets you around 25 phones, so your ROI would be around 3 years.
More like 30, and if they are decently high end.
On the cheaper phone side, you could get closer to 85.
The Yealink T42S is ~$90
The Yealink T46S is ~$130
T19 is around $40
That is junk.
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@Dashrender said in On-Premises soft PBX:
$3k gets you around 25 phones, so your ROI would be around 3 years. Not to mention any possibility of savings by moving to more common SIP trunk provider (Don't recall who you are using today).
You can build a sample PBX in Vultr for $5/m, get a system running using softphones as samples to show management along with a SIP trunk paying only the per min cost of any test calls, and $1/m for the DID.
We are not using SIP, atm, we are using a PRI. The last invoice I saw (several months ago), was for about $1700. I think we can save quite a bit by moving to SIP. I just have to do the math, like JB says.
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@wrx7m said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender said in On-Premises soft PBX:
$3k gets you around 25 phones, so your ROI would be around 3 years. Not to mention any possibility of savings by moving to more common SIP trunk provider (Don't recall who you are using today).
You can build a sample PBX in Vultr for $5/m, get a system running using softphones as samples to show management along with a SIP trunk paying only the per min cost of any test calls, and $1/m for the DID.
We are not using SIP, atm, we are using a PRI. The last invoice I saw (several months ago), was for about $1700. I think we can save quite a bit by moving to SIP. I just have to do the math, like JB says.
Wow, PRI? Damn. Typically moving to SIP would get you closer to $100 if you are on $1700 on PRI. (And nearly all PRI is delivered over SIP secretly anyway.)
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@wrx7m I'm obviously biased - but PRIs are a complete waste of money these days. Most SIP Trunk providers are delivering just as good of service as a PRI but at a fraction of the cost. I'd put our service up against any PRI any day of the week. So long as you have a good internet connection, using a PRI is a big waste of money.
Again though... I'm pretty biased lol
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@Skyetel plus, most PRI are delivered over SIP anyway and it's just a PRI in name, not a PRI in reality.
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@scottalanmiller said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Skyetel plus, most PRI are delivered over SIP anyway and it's just a PRI in name, not a PRI in reality.
This is definitely the case with Cox. They have no legacy infrastructure - it's all SIP on the back end.
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@Dashrender @scottalanmiller Almost all carriers are using SIP for Local Calling. Toll Free calling is the last refuge of TDM (which is one of the reasons its so expensive). If your carrier is giving your a PRI, I'd bet almost anything its pure SIP
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The CLEC at my last gig didn't even try to hide the fact. They told us outright that they were giving us PRI tagging via SIP
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@Skyetel said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender @scottalanmiller Almost all carriers are using SIP for Local Calling. Toll Free calling is the last refuge of TDM (which is one of the reasons its so expensive). If your carrier is giving your a PRI, I'd bet almost anything its pure SIP
We ditched our PRI to move to Cox SIP 2 years ago. It's still costing us a bundle compared to say - VOIP.ms or Trillian (or whatever the T company name was), but it's about half what the PRI was.
Sadly, my boss wouldn't let me go to one of these other providers - she didn't trust that it would be good enough.
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@Dashrender Yeah our phone person doesn't trust anything that is not Cisco. We pay 70k a year and i have no idea how it is that high. Around 250 staff/users here.
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@jmoore said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender Yeah our phone person doesn't trust anything that is not Cisco. We pay 70k a year and i have no idea how it is that high. Around 250 staff/users here.
you pay $70K to whom?
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@Dashrender said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Skyetel said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender @scottalanmiller Almost all carriers are using SIP for Local Calling. Toll Free calling is the last refuge of TDM (which is one of the reasons its so expensive). If your carrier is giving your a PRI, I'd bet almost anything its pure SIP
We ditched our PRI to move to Cox SIP 2 years ago. It's still costing us a bundle compared to say - VOIP.ms or Trillian (or whatever the T company name was), but it's about half what the PRI was.
Sadly, my boss wouldn't let me go to one of these other providers - she didn't trust that it would be good enough.
And even more compared to... what's that company called, oh yeah, @Skyetel
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@jmoore said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender Yeah our phone person doesn't trust anything that is not Cisco. We pay 70k a year and i have no idea how it is that high. Around 250 staff/users here.
The biggest "question" is why someone is trusting someone who only trusts Cisco.
Rhetorical statement.
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@Dashrender said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@jmoore said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender Yeah our phone person doesn't trust anything that is not Cisco. We pay 70k a year and i have no idea how it is that high. Around 250 staff/users here.
you pay $70K to whom?
To Cisco, probably.
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@Dashrender said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Skyetel said in On-Premises soft PBX:
@Dashrender @scottalanmiller Almost all carriers are using SIP for Local Calling. Toll Free calling is the last refuge of TDM (which is one of the reasons its so expensive). If your carrier is giving your a PRI, I'd bet almost anything its pure SIP
We ditched our PRI to move to Cox SIP 2 years ago. It's still costing us a bundle compared to say - VOIP.ms or Trillian (or whatever the T company name was), but it's about half what the PRI was.
Sadly, my boss wouldn't let me go to one of these other providers - she didn't trust that it would be good enough.
Twilio.
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@Dashrender It used to be that legacy carriers had the best uptime (back when they exclusively used TDM), but they didn't switch from TDM to SIP gracefully and still haven't gotten their act together. Every big carrier has their own quirks but they are caused by the same fundamental problem: no big CLEC is a single network, they are only single billing mechanism for multiple underlying networks. A really good example of this is CenturyLink - Depending on where you are, you could be on TW Telecom's Network, or Qwest's, or Level 3, or the OG CTL network... its practically endless. That sort of architecture worked better when everything was TDM; voltage is voltage. With SIP... man - you have protocols, packet buffers, MTUs, ISPs, etc. It's infinitely more complicated to stitch together aging disparate networks transparently. Alternatively, If you are a small legacy carrier (like Cox) you don't have the money to trash millions of dollars of TDM to replace it with millions of dollars of VoIP equipment, pay to train your employees, and get your customers on board in a time period where you don't die from the transition (this is why the little guys tend to just get bought by the big ones)
Carriers like Twilio, VoIP.MS, Skyetel (us - shameless plug!) are better at SIP because thats all we ever were - Skyetel doesn't own a single piece of TDM equipment at all, and I bet neither do Twilio or VoIP.MS. We don't have to worry about training ready-to-retire employees who are more comfortable dealing with Muxers than Jitter. This fact is actually recognized by the FCC and is part of the reason why they let carriers like us skip the whole CLEC registration process and go straight to numbering authority.
All that to say - I'd bet on our network over any Legacy Carrier every day of the week. Truthfully - I'd bet on most SIP-Only networks over legacy carriers too. But i may be biased
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@Skyetel it's called legacy for a reason. It's not a competing technology, it's a leftover technology.
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@Dashrender They pay Cisco
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@scottalanmiller i agree
